GOG Foxy wheelbite

[Toby Warg]

If I set my Foxy at 90mm and about 45-55 degrees with 70mm ZZ, the wheel touches the rear baseplate nut.
Are they not constructed to be run this way?
Should I choose 66mm wheels instead?

I feel that a 70 degree setting and a dewedge kind of defeats the purpose of the truck.

Say that I'm missing something!

Edit: I have 70mm, not 7mm.

[Ramón Königshausen]

Toby, HOW did you manage to get "truckbite"?

The only reason why there could be contact between your wheen and the baseplate nut is that you're using screws that are too long.

What kind of bushings do you use?

I got white Khiro barrels top and bottom, 70mm ZZ. Tried every angle and never got to make the wheel touch the nut. I'd say when riding your board it shouldn't touch at all. I can even run 77mm wheels without contact. (Well on a GS you wouldn't have your truck at 90mm anyway).


Got any pictures? That could help....


btw: I most often run mine at 55-60°. You use it as a front truck, don't you?


rmn

[Toby Warg]

I can manage almost anything.

The screw is almost too short. I had to sacrifice maybe 1mm of the foam to get through the nut.

I use white Khiro barrels.

Maybe it's something new with the design? Donald, Frank, is it?



Yeah, The Jason Mitchell is in the rear, but the angles and bushings on that one will never get me into the same troubles..
I did notice that the front truck is about 4mm lower than the rear.

[Ramón Königshausen]

Ehm...well I don't think there's been any change regarding truck height. I myself have the exact same truck and I cannot in any way make my wheels touch that nut - I get regular wheelbite fist.

However, it looks like your bottom bushing is very strongly deformed. I recommend to exchange that one.

And I don't think you'll ever manage to get that truck move so close to that nut when riding.


If you're at Dixie Cup I can take a look at it...

rmn

[Toby Warg]

Yeah, those bushings are a bit worn. I'll exchange them, and until then, I'll run it at 100mm.

I won't be at the Dixie Cup, sorry. Thanks for your help anyway!

[Ramón Königshausen]

Huh, well I just noticed that you're from Sweden...well then

Replace the bushings, that might do the job.


rmn

[Steve Collins]

This is also a problem with Rads that I thought was supposed have been fixed with GoGs. With my Rads, to run this narrow, I had to grind down the baseplate flanges and run the bolts upside down to avoid truckbite. It's a nasty thing to do to expensive machined trucks but preferable to a faceplant.

[Donald Campbell]

when you look closely at the picture above it seems as if there is no top bushing involved when the picture has been taken.
toby,i would suggest you run the trucks first before you "test" on the table.
gog's don't have aby truckbyte once they are set up properly.
truckbite has been a radikal disease and frank made that problem a thing of the past.
please skate your trucks before posting someting like this again
thank you

[Robert Gaisek]

I can do this too! I always shave my front wheels to be really sure...I´m a sissy.

I have not tried this with the new ones because I DON`T HAVE THEM YET!!!
Are they on the way or did something happend?

[Donald Campbell]

hey robo
nothing has been changed
trust me
check the picture above again toby didn't even skate his truck
he just set it up there on a table with a bottom bushing and then he moved the hanger
around.
again:the trucks are the same as always and they react the same way as always-IF YOU SKATE THEM!

[Cat Young]

No one skates without a top bushing or kingpin nut on their truck.

[Donald Campbell]

toby,are you sure you use the correct hanger for that truck?
you know that the hngers are different,right?

[Toby Warg]

when you look closely at the picture above it seems as if there is no top bushing involved when the picture has been taken.
toby,i would suggest you run the trucks first before you "test" on the table.
gog's don't have aby truckbyte once they are set up properly.
truckbite has been a radikal disease and frank made that problem a thing of the past.
please skate your trucks before posting someting like this again
thank you

hey robo
nothing has been changed
trust me
check the picture above again toby didn't even skate his truck
he just set it up there on a table with a bottom bushing and then he moved the hanger
around.
again:the trucks are the same as always and they react the same way as always-IF YOU SKATE THEM!

No one skates without a top bushing or kingpin nut on their truck.

toby,are you sure you use the correct hanger for that truck?
you know that the hngers are different,right?

I just paid you €397 and you declare me a retard? Thanks.

I said "bushings", in pluralis, right? Two bushings. One on top and the other on the bottom.
I think this would even be impossible without a top bushing pushing on the hanger.

I noticed the bite when I stood on the board, turning - not on the desk. If you want me to test it in speed, I will sent you my medical bill.

I have to agree with Cat. No one skates without a top bushing or a kingpin nut on their truck.

I use the hanger that came mounted on the truck. It is the hanger which axle line does not go through the kingpin.



Maybe you should take a look for yourself before throwing accusations at your customers. Just because I haven't run any races yet doesn't mean that I don't know anything about trucks and skateboards.
I asked a simple question. I'm not trying to kill your company or humiliate you in public.

Also, funny that there are two people that can do this.

[Robert Gaisek]

.....but I did not tried this with my new ones BECAUSE I DIDN`T GOT THEM!!!!
WHERE ARE THEY? I CAN`T WAIT ANY LONGER!!!!! GGGAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

Ok....Im fine again......phew.

[Toby Warg]

.....but I did not tried this with my new ones

Well, there are no differences, according to an earlier post.

[Donald Campbell]

ok

toby


nobody ever called you a retard or even tried to bring you close to that,
you only got advice and you react pissed.


something for you to consider:
if you face a problem(taken for granted there is a REAL problem),why don't you first contact the seller of the truck(me) or the manufacturer(frank)?
posting it here is destructive because what you show in your pics doesn't work in the real world.
frank took his time today to find out how you did that and he couldn't do it,nobody has had a problem like this before.
fact is also that all trucks have the exact same dimensions and there are absolutely no exceptions to that.

your pics looks strange,especially the position of the bottom bushing,that made me wonder.


if you feel not good using those trucks please mail them back to my address and i'll gladly reimburse you for your costs.
after all we don't want you to risk your life on a dangerous product.

your post clearly indicates that something is wrong with the trucks we make,i do not want to question your knowledge about trucks in general,you even found out that the trucks do not have the same height.
we do not know how you measured them or from where to where you took the dimensions to come to that incredible result.

we do the gog trucks sinced we love the sport and we want to contribute to the sport.
nobody needs to make a living out of it.
so please accept my humble offer to send the trucks back and get reimbursed by us.
maybe you will find something way better and safer than those dangerous wheelbite trucks we sold to you.

[Ramón Königshausen]

Well, as stated above: Exchange the bushing. Make clear it cannot be squeeze out the way we can see it in your first pic.

If that still doesn't solve the problem use an orange Khiro barrel + a white Bitch bushing.

rmn

[Toby Warg]

ok

toby


nobody ever called you a retard or even tried to bring you close to that,
you only got advice and you react pissed.


something for you to consider:
if you face a problem(taken for granted there is a REAL problem),why don't you first contact the seller of the truck(me) or the manufacturer(frank)?
posting it here is destructive because what you show in your pics doesn't work in the real world.
frank took his time today to find out how you did that and he couldn't do it,nobody has had a problem like this before.
fact is also that all trucks have the exact same dimensions and there are absolutely no exceptions to that.

your pics looks strange,especially the position of the bottom bushing,that made me wonder.

Ok, Donald.

I got two advices. One was invalid (skate the truck) and the other was ok, but didn't apply.

I didn't have a problem, just a question. Since you tend to not answer my questions, I thought I'd ask it here, in your own forum. I thought that maybe some nice person would take his/her time to answer, and Ramón did. Actually, Ramón has helped me. Thanks again for that, Ramón! I'll try your advice. It seems plausible.

If what I posted does not work in the real world, I must live in the Twilight Zone, or something, because my picture is not lying. Just to see if I was dreaming, I set the truck up at 45 degrees, 90mm with 70mm ZZ again, and stood on it, trying to turn. It does bite the nut.

If you thought the pics look strange, you could have done what Ramón did. Given me advice.
You took a quick look, decided that I did not put a top bushing on the truck, and that I had not ridden it. I still think that your conclusions made me look like an idiot.

Now. up to this point, your post is fine, but the rest disgusts me.

if you feel not good using those trucks please mail them back to my address and i'll gladly reimburse you for your costs.
after all we don't want you to risk your life on a dangerous product.

your post clearly indicates that something is wrong with the trucks we make,i do not want to question your knowledge about trucks in general,you even found out that the trucks do not have the same height.
we do not know how you measured them or from where to where you took the dimensions to come to that incredible result.

we do the gog trucks sinced we love the sport and we want to contribute to the sport.
nobody needs to make a living out of it.
so please accept my humble offer to send the trucks back and get reimbursed by us.
maybe you will find something way better and safer than those dangerous wheelbite trucks we sold to you.

I don't know why you spend such amount of time stupifying your customers. What you just wrote is such bullshit.
"Risk your life on a dangerous product"?
"Incredible result"? What is so incredible about that?
"Accept my humble offer"? Yeah, Donald. Not as if this is by the law in your country?
"Maybe you will find something that is way better and safer than those dangerous wheelbite trucks we sold to you"?

While typing your answers, you seem to have missed the fact that Robo also can get truckbite. Are we both living in the fake world?

Would you like a video of this? I could post a picture of the wheel with marks from the nut on it, if you like.
On the other hand, I won't. Instead, I will follow Ramón's advice and play around with bushings. But then again, I read that these trucks works with any bushing. I'll let you know if it solved my problem.

PS. The trucks differ 6mm at 0°. The first measure was at 0 against ~45-50°. DS.

[Ramón Königshausen]

I thought that maybe some nice person would take his/her time to answer, and Ramón did. Actually, Ramón has helped me. Thanks again for that, Ramón! I'll try your advice. It seems plausible.

Anytime! It's a product I helped developing so it's also in my own interest to solve that problem im order to improve the product - if there is really something about it.

While typing your answers, you seem to have missed the fact that Robo also can get truckbite. Are we both living in the fake world?

What kind/stage of trucks does he have? Is it the unadjustable one?


On a sidenote, I can understand Donald's reaction a bit because there are so many trucks at many different boards out there and this is the first case we heard of that this - what we thought to have eliminated - is still possible, somehow. However, neither me nor Frank have succeded in making 70mm Wheels touch the nut at the baseplate. So it's hard to understand how this can be possible. So you start thinking about what your customer (in this case it's you) could have done wrong. (And because - I tried it 3 times in many different angles and the softest bushings I got - it is so hard to understand one must come to think about such things like not using a top bushing etc.)

One last tip/request: If you could post a proper sideview picture of the truck it could be helpful...

rmn

[Donald Campbell]

for your consideratin:
same batch of trucks,same situation,hanger pressed down with full force!


regarding robo:
this won't happen to him,i know that for sure and i bet that he will also post here to
underline what i just said.

[Robert Gaisek]

I will absolutely do that the very second they get here....I haven´t got them yet.
I do have the unadjustable front and I DO get wheelbites.
I don´t like surprises so I shave the inner lip 5mm to avoid this. (70mm ZZ)
A lot of people here have the new ones and I have never heard about this problem.
Maybe Toby and I are extremely strong persons?
I cross my fingers and looking forward to see if my trucks will do the same.

Hope not.

( I was just compairing your pics and there is a difference....the spacer. Can that little thing cause the problem? It shouldnt....but?

[Donald Campbell]

hey robo
the new adjustable trucks have an increased height to eliminate the problem the old fronts had.
that's the difference
your trucks should be almost there.
get in touch with henrik.he will get them at work
maybe some nice presents handed out to him will lighten up his spirits and you get the trucks even faster?
who knows
hahahahaha

[Robert Gaisek]

I´ll think of something. A happy Henke is a must for us.

[HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric]

Robert !

I have 3 front unadjustable trucks ( 1st gen and 2nd gen "higher" ) and I set them in almost every possibilities ( bords, angle, bushing hardness, wheels sizes, width...).
I NEVER had truck-bites neither whellbites...

How this can be with yours ?

[Robert Gaisek]

I really don´t know..........but it´s a fact. I will also put in a pic when I come home tonight.
I don´t know how old mine is ( I bought Henke´s when he got the adjustables) but I don´t think it is very old.

[Toby Warg]

On a sidenote, I can understand Donald's reaction a bit because there are so many trucks at many different boards out there and this is the first case we heard of that this - what we thought to have eliminated - is still possible, somehow. However, neither me nor Frank have succeded in making 70mm Wheels touch the nut at the baseplate. So it's hard to understand how this can be possible. So you start thinking about what your customer (in this case it's you) could have done wrong. (And because - I tried it 3 times in many different angles and the softest bushings I got - it is so hard to understand one must come to think about such things like not using a top bushing etc.)

One last tip/request: If you could post a proper sideview picture of the truck it could be helpful...

rmn

First of all, I had no idea that this was an old problem and that you worked hard to get rid of it. I have never heard of it until now.
I didn't think that it would be such a big deal. I expected an answer along the lines of "yeah, use 66mm wheels and you'll be ok".

Except for this thing, the trucks are excellent. The level of quality is top notch.

I tried a brand new orange on the bottom and a new red on the top (only new ones I had), and I can still reproduce it at 45°. Not as easy, but I don't soil myself doing it either.

Is this the pic you want?

[Ramón Königshausen]

Yes that's the pic I wanted. Everything looks the way it should. Strange, your case still remains an enigma to me since I cannot in any way make my 70mm ZZ touch that nut.

rmn

[Chris Favero]

someone may have mentioned it,but it is probably the bushings.Khiros tend to be smaller in diameter and height than other types like radikal or stims.Also,Khiros compress different as well. the whites are very soft and can compress not only on the radial edge but vertically as well.i also use nuts on my bolts that are aircraft grade and half the height of a normal nut.These are not gog trucks,but Rads and i have run into the same issue on occasion depending on how the truck is set up.Keep in mind that a taller bottom bushing should help and any variety of bushing choices(depending on height and placement) can alter the trucks geometry.cf

[Chris Favero]

look at Toby's photo above and you can see what i mean.The Khiro on top is so much smaller from in diameter,that will compress way sharper than the stim below.The washer being nearly the same diameter as the bushing will aid in sharper and more complete compression of the bushing.It has to alter the geometry as well.Where is Geezerx when you need him?Geez?cf

[Ramón Königshausen]

Well thanks cf, but the point is that everyone else can run our trucks with regular khiros without having any issues at all. It must be a worn out bushing.

Anyway Toby, if you're fine switching to other wheels, do so.

rmn

[Robert Gaisek]

I really don´t know..........but it´s a fact. I will also put in a pic when I come home tonight.
I don´t know how old mine is ( I bought Henke´s when he got the adjustables) but I don´t think it is very old.

I am now bending over and preparing for the punishment.

I tried very hard but there is no chance in hell that I will get a truckbite. I have been mixing this up with my Radikals.....or maybe I´m getting old.

Sorry for that!

[Toby Warg]

Well thanks cf, but the point is that everyone else can run our trucks with regular khiros without having any issues at all. It must be a worn out bushing.

Anyway Toby, if you're fine switching to other wheels, do so.

rmn

Well, I did manage to reproduce it with brand new bushings...
I will probably never run the truck that way anyway, so it is not a problem. Still just a question.
I also prefer 70mm to 66mm since I am faster on the 70s on our hill.

I could go for smaller nuts. I'll look around, but it will only give me a couple of mms extra movement.

Thanks for your help and suggestions.

[Christopher Bara]

Toby...please....never never post up something like ..."I could go for smaller nuts."

just.............dont

[Robert Gaisek]

BWAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAA!

[Toby Warg]

Toby...please....never never post up something like ..."I could go for smaller nuts."

just.............dont

Hehe! But you haven't seen my nuts...

[Peter Harnischmacher]

but who can uses white bottom Kihros as the bottom in the foxy? ?

[Ramón Königshausen]

Uhm yes, that's a regular setup. White Khiro barrels. I'd say more than 70% of GOG owners have that setup.

rmn

[Robert Gaisek]

I got my new GOGs today and I have been testing it now for truckbite.....but there is not the smallest chance to get that close. It´s about 4-5mm between wheel and truck when I press it with full force.
Toby.....can you meassure the hanger (skip the axels) and baseplate?
How about the inner lip? Mine is about 8mm from the bearing (from the flat, not the washer).

Something must be different somewhere.

[Robert Gaisek]

Sorry...I did forgot.......THANK`S DON AND FRANK!

I´m happy as a child on christmas.
What a great set of trucks!!!