zigs losing traction?

[Doug Kadzban]

well, about a month ago, the lime zigs on teh back of my board slid out while i was pumping around campus (due to a patch of sand). i got looking at the wheels, and the outside lip on the right wheel is a bit torn up, as is the inside lip on the left wheel. but, i've been pumping around lately (in perfectly clean parking lots), and it seems like the back wants to slide out a LOT more now. i'm almost afraid to push this board now, cuz of the constant slidey feel the back has.

i'm running a 106 rts, dewedged with 2 khiro wedges on a GOG woody. is there any way i can put traction back in my zigs?

[Wesley Tucker]

Doug,

It's possibly the wheel or maybe it's YOU?

The fact the back end is sliding out has you worried your wheel is losing traction. Another possibility to consider is your getting into slalom, constant pumping and increasing strength has you putting more pump into your board and thus you're not sliding out but you are PUSHING out your back end.

I'm not saying this IS the case but it MIGHT be. Trust me, you won't find me making excuses or trying to explain away an issue with an ABEC11 product. I'm just pointing out another possible reason for your traction issues. Although the problem may be centered on the wheel, it would be a shame to buy some other product with the same Duro and not rectify the problem. Just be sure to troubleshoot all the possibilities before spending any money.

THEN you can curse Chaput out loud and go buy some Seimics.

But only then.

[Doug Kadzban]

The fact the back end is sliding out has you worried your wheel is losing traction. Another possibility to consider is your getting into slalom, constant pumping and increasing strength has you putting more pump into your board and thus you're not sliding out but you are PUSHING out your back end.

hmm...i'll look into that for sure, next time i'm out. might it also be that i'm putting too much weight over the front? my thinking with that is, there's not enough weight over the rear to keep it planted

thanks wes!

[Rick Floyd]

Doug - what size and type of board are you on when this happens?

Are you sliding out on the heelside turn or toeside turn?

How much do you weigh?

How old are the lime zigs?

Coned - hourglass or cone shape?

[Doug Kadzban]

Doug - what size and type of board are you on when this happens?
Pavel GOG woody, bennett/rts trucks
Are you sliding out on the heelside turn or toeside turn?
toeside
How much do you weigh?
170lbs
How old are the lime zigs?
not very old...i bought them used (barely broken in) last summer
Coned - hourglass or cone shape?
very, very mild hourglass shape

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[Tod Oles]

Doug,

If you ride heavily surf stance biased, you're toeside position will be the most powerful
side since you're using all of your bodies most powerful muscle groups
all in one thrust... If you angle your toes more forward pointing to the nose you'll
see that your toe side pump will diminish a little and your heelside turn will gain some power...

Watch Dave Pirnack and Gary Fluitt>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFgLEgeXGDY
Their always facing the fall line and their arms never get trapped behind them...
(a sure way to get late and behind the course... )

Something to think about....

Later, Tod

[Rick Floyd]

Are you sliding out on the heelside turn or toeside turn?
toeside

Doug - I think TOles nailed it...but a video of what is happening would speak volumes. do you have the same problem with other (harder) wheels?

Doug - what size and type of board are you on when this happens?
Pavel GOG woody, bennett/rts trucks

Make sure the RTS is deadened enough (de-wedged) or it will over-turn and you will lose grip.

My .02...good luck!

[Doug Kadzban]

Are you sliding out on the heelside turn or toeside turn?
toeside

Doug - I think TOles nailed it...but a video of what is happening would speak volumes. do you have the same problem with other (harder) wheels?

Doug - what size and type of board are you on when this happens?
Pavel GOG woody, bennett/rts trucks

Make sure the RTS is deadened enough (de-wedged) or it will over-turn and you will lose grip.

My .02...good luck!

yeah, i read oles's post...i'm gonna go out and try that

and i think i'll try some different wheels...69mm s9 race wheels are the only suitable ones i got at the moment. but yeah, i'll try switching up my stance again

as far as deadening the rear, i got it dewedged with 2 khiro wedges (one of which is slightly negated by the kicktail on my board), got a blue stim bottom/yellow khiro top. should i try stiffening up the bushings maybe? or even dewedge it a little more?

[Tod Oles]

Doug,

I take 20* of steering out of an RTS on a flat deck. (never had it on a kicked deck)
you'll need a pile of wedges to detune it on a kicktailed deck..... at least to my liking...

Something I've played with off and on
with my kicktail decks is to move the rear truck
as far back and up the kicktail as you can drill holes
then mount it on as little wedging that will get the job done...
this puts the pivot pin of the truck more closely in the same plane
as the ball of your rear foot as it is nestled in the kink of the kicktail.
(kind of like the self centering effect of a dropped deck)

This should take some of the leverage you've got
over the rear truck away and make it feel "heavier" to
steer the rear end around...

Again, just some ideas for you to try.....

T.O.

[Doug Kadzban]

here's what i did:
-rotated the rear wheels
-put a green tracker superball barrel as the top bushing (blue stim bottom)
-adjusted my stance, as per TOle's advice

those all seem to have worked, for the brief 10 min i had them out. i think i'll try undoing one of those things at a time to try and find the exact culprit

[Dave Gale]

Glad you got it semi worked out. The stance problem when going from street/park riding afflicts many. If you go the more foward facing style, you han really concentrate the pressure on the rear truck with the ball of your rear foot nano seconds before carving a tight cut turn.