[2007] Paris Slalom World Cup 2007, May 26-28, 2007
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Am straight
Even for Pros 2m have been hard to make clean the past years. I think it is too tough for the AM's. Especially since most does not know how to set up their boards so it will just be too fast in the end. 2.20 is scary enough for most AM's.
Pro straight
1.80 for the Pro's will have cones spraying. Fortunatly most Pro's have mastered the technique of getting the front trucks to turn ridicously sharp and fast. And by this they can go fast and still control their speed, if they want. The problem is when competition day is there nobody want to think about holding back, and we have the cone spraying party.
Start
I agree with Jani that 2x penalty is not enough for start penalty. I think the solution is if you go too early you get a base penalty, for example like a cone 0.1 sec. Then on top of that you can add the 2 x "milliseconds before start" to punish more those who goes very early against those who just get a little bit too early. Ex: if you are 0.01 too early you get 0.10 + 2x0.01 = 0.12 penalty. This then gets the minimum "false start" penalty. If you are 0.08 too early you get 0.10 + 2x0.08 = 0.26 penalty. Best is of course random if you have a timer that can manage to really do neutral random starts.
Pro special
I was a lot responsible for last years special course for the Pros. It was technical and something you could not just race full speed from start. Neither could you keep your body in one place and just let the lower body stretch out take all the offset cones. You where forced to move the whole package (whole body) sideways. And with the hill just trying to pull you strongly straight down you had to fight hard against that. These are funny courses and a real challange for Pros but... on race day you can't set courses that are on the limit of your capacity. Beacuse racers don't have enough time to dial in the course. Race day will make it hard to hold back and you will go too fast and start spraying cones. It does not make the pros look good. And like last year when you where really forced to go slow in the start to make it through some tech sections in the beginning it did not look so good. Why are the Pros goins so slow? They don't seem so good? The audience can't judge the difficulty of the course.
I.e. yes set a challenging tech course. But not for Luca and Ramon, for the mid pack pros. Running a hard tech course at home over and over again is not the same as on race day where maybe you will only get 2 practice runs and then it is competition run.
Just my two pennys.
Even for Pros 2m have been hard to make clean the past years. I think it is too tough for the AM's. Especially since most does not know how to set up their boards so it will just be too fast in the end. 2.20 is scary enough for most AM's.
Pro straight
1.80 for the Pro's will have cones spraying. Fortunatly most Pro's have mastered the technique of getting the front trucks to turn ridicously sharp and fast. And by this they can go fast and still control their speed, if they want. The problem is when competition day is there nobody want to think about holding back, and we have the cone spraying party.
Start
I agree with Jani that 2x penalty is not enough for start penalty. I think the solution is if you go too early you get a base penalty, for example like a cone 0.1 sec. Then on top of that you can add the 2 x "milliseconds before start" to punish more those who goes very early against those who just get a little bit too early. Ex: if you are 0.01 too early you get 0.10 + 2x0.01 = 0.12 penalty. This then gets the minimum "false start" penalty. If you are 0.08 too early you get 0.10 + 2x0.08 = 0.26 penalty. Best is of course random if you have a timer that can manage to really do neutral random starts.
Pro special
I was a lot responsible for last years special course for the Pros. It was technical and something you could not just race full speed from start. Neither could you keep your body in one place and just let the lower body stretch out take all the offset cones. You where forced to move the whole package (whole body) sideways. And with the hill just trying to pull you strongly straight down you had to fight hard against that. These are funny courses and a real challange for Pros but... on race day you can't set courses that are on the limit of your capacity. Beacuse racers don't have enough time to dial in the course. Race day will make it hard to hold back and you will go too fast and start spraying cones. It does not make the pros look good. And like last year when you where really forced to go slow in the start to make it through some tech sections in the beginning it did not look so good. Why are the Pros goins so slow? They don't seem so good? The audience can't judge the difficulty of the course.
I.e. yes set a challenging tech course. But not for Luca and Ramon, for the mid pack pros. Running a hard tech course at home over and over again is not the same as on race day where maybe you will only get 2 practice runs and then it is competition run.
Just my two pennys.
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I agree totally; normally I would vote for 1.90m for amateurs, but I know Troca is very hard; I've been there soooo many vacations and was never able to finish the TS on 2m all the way to the end, even though I never used a starting ramp there. (I skate slalom since about 1980)Donald Campbell wrote:flavio:
you have to put some trust into what experienced riders say
troca is fast.
we will build the ramps for this years event and these will add to the factor too.
visit the event,skate the course competitively and then you are able to give comments on the cone setting.
Also, experienced local AM riders should take into consideration that they have a big advantage; they have (sometimes) been able to skate Troca for years, as many hours/day as they want, unlike the foreigners.
At home I can make the 1,50m at full speed on an inclinement; still I know Troca might be too hard for me on 2m. But let's await the pre-contest trainings there and then decide.
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Dear all,
come'on, for pros is fine 1.80 for the tight (usually I run with the giant board on 2.00 m distance) and a special as last year. It was the best special course of the season.
It is my personal opinion that courses have to be technical for the pros. You should not be able to run "full throttle" all the course. Exactly as it happens on skiing competitions where you have to go 90% full speed but you have "delicates" gates as well.
I'm for really technical stuff.
CU there
come'on, for pros is fine 1.80 for the tight (usually I run with the giant board on 2.00 m distance) and a special as last year. It was the best special course of the season.
It is my personal opinion that courses have to be technical for the pros. You should not be able to run "full throttle" all the course. Exactly as it happens on skiing competitions where you have to go 90% full speed but you have "delicates" gates as well.
I'm for really technical stuff.
CU there
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I couldn't find any information about the entry fee. How much is it?
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Re: entry fee
Choose your "class" on the application form and you'll see the price at the end of the page.Steve Hinzen wrote:I couldn't find any information about the entry fee. How much is it?
For your information:
PRO Pack = 100€ including
- registration for the 3 days of race Straight, Special, Giant
- longskate contest (slide and challenges)
- 3 meals
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PRO MUST REGISTER WITH THE FULL PACK
AMs Pack =50€ including
- registration for the 3 days of race Straight, Special, Giant
- longskate contest (slide and challenges)
- 3 meals
- event collector tshirt
Amateurs and Womens can also register only for the races they want:
1 Discipline 20 Eur
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It's probably not corrected on the website but slide contest only is 10€, and free if you register for at least one slalom race.
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Guillaume Saint-Criq wrote:thanks for those who already paid their registrations.
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hey i registered and paid using paypal...the one i was told to and recieved and emial confirming ive paid and on this site is says ive registered but not paid...whats going on do i have to pay again or something?
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Hi Katii, you can ask for this kind of things directly by email: pswc [AT] riderz [DOT] netKatii Campbell wrote: hey i registered and paid using paypal...the one i was told to and recieved and emial confirming ive paid and on this site is says ive registered but not paid...whats going on do i have to pay again or something?
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Its getting close! Almost time to start practice... I have a few questions;
It said when I paid the entry fee that there should be a prize purse in the pro class. Nice! How will it be divided? Does Luca get it all, or will Ramón get some as well? Is it from 1-3 or 1-5 or even 1-8?
Is it combined or is it in each race? If overall, will you use the strange "your best 2 results overall" calculation, or the more realistic "all races combined" overall calculation?
Have you made any deciscions about the lifting of wheels?
I really like that you put all the previous results on the PSWC homepage!
Thanks! /Marcus
It said when I paid the entry fee that there should be a prize purse in the pro class. Nice! How will it be divided? Does Luca get it all, or will Ramón get some as well? Is it from 1-3 or 1-5 or even 1-8?
Is it combined or is it in each race? If overall, will you use the strange "your best 2 results overall" calculation, or the more realistic "all races combined" overall calculation?
Have you made any deciscions about the lifting of wheels?
I really like that you put all the previous results on the PSWC homepage!
Thanks! /Marcus
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Depends on what you mean with TS:Hans Lucas wrote:Vince, have you made any decisions about the AM TS track?
1,90m / 2m / 2,10m / 2,20m?
I'm very curious!
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I think its pretty clear whats decided on that point.Vincent Berruchon wrote:Tight Slalom = should be called STRAIGHT
PRO:1m80 and AMs: 2m (cry NOW if you really think that many amateurs can't do it)
Special Slalom= We want it to be quite tight at least on a part of the course for pros. Amateur race could be what you call hybrid, but it's an AM special.
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Oh, OK, thanks; I missed that posting.Marcus Seyffarth wrote:I think its pretty clear whats decided on that point.Vincent Berruchon wrote:Tight Slalom = should be called STRAIGHT
PRO:1m80 and AMs: 2m (cry NOW if you really think that many amateurs can't do it)
Special Slalom= We want it to be quite tight at least on a part of the course for pros. Amateur race could be what you call hybrid, but it's an AM special.
As far as I know, Dutch skaters usually do not use the terms Straight Slalom / Special Slalom because their abbreviations are both SS.
TS or HS are pretty clear, too.
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I've missed a few questions from Marcus
so about prize money: this year we'll reward skaters only with combined overall results, probably the 8th first racers (or 10?).
Minimum total amount is 3000€.
We also have a lot of good stuff for AMs!
I'm still waiting for a real meeting about results and calculation with people involved, but I think it should be based on the three disciplines and for what I know it was like that last year.
Wheels lifting: no clear rule exists, what is sure is that we won't have judges to look only at that. It will also depend what we can use at the start (light beam or switch) but it's part of the game for years, so is it a real problem? (it's not the topic to discuss about that, thanks)
We are near of 50 AMs racers, remember that only a payment will confirm your registration.
so about prize money: this year we'll reward skaters only with combined overall results, probably the 8th first racers (or 10?).
Minimum total amount is 3000€.
We also have a lot of good stuff for AMs!
I'm still waiting for a real meeting about results and calculation with people involved, but I think it should be based on the three disciplines and for what I know it was like that last year.
Wheels lifting: no clear rule exists, what is sure is that we won't have judges to look only at that. It will also depend what we can use at the start (light beam or switch) but it's part of the game for years, so is it a real problem? (it's not the topic to discuss about that, thanks)
We are near of 50 AMs racers, remember that only a payment will confirm your registration.
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Why not a "Le Mans" start? Skaters start (2 by 2) with a run up the hill ("to explore the track") then grab their boards and make the run.Donald Campbell wrote:I'LL HAVE MY REVENGE
the ramps we build for paris will be 30 cms high
there you go
hahahahaha
Or they run up the hill WITH their boards; in that case a 34" deck is a disadvantage....
"BS"? meaning "Big Slalom" / GS?
(or what about a biathlon / triathlon, like swimming, slalom skating, biking? )
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Thats the only discipline you've practiced lately, isn't it? I think you and Don could have a pretty tight race in the BS coursePeter Klang wrote:How tight is the BS course gonna be this year?
In fact I put 10€ on Peter winning the BS, and another 10€ on Fabian Björnstjerna taking the overall AM by far. In fact I put another 10€ on that more than 5 AMs will complain about Fabian not running PRO. Any takers?
Thanks for the answers Vinz!
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no no no ramon
bs is big slalom
stop fooling around here
big slalom is done on boards that are approved by santa claus.
85 mm wheels
a short board no longer than 85,345cms
104,798 mm stainless steel trucks
the races are held on slippery surfaces,gymnastic halls are preferred
since you can't really pump on that ground they went for the very big wheels
that fabian guy he beat you recently marcus?
and he's racing am?
ok....
i even know the color of his boxer shorts,but i won't spill all the secrets
my secret agent man from sweden told me
now...where's my ten euros marcus?
gimme
bs is big slalom
stop fooling around here
big slalom is done on boards that are approved by santa claus.
85 mm wheels
a short board no longer than 85,345cms
104,798 mm stainless steel trucks
the races are held on slippery surfaces,gymnastic halls are preferred
since you can't really pump on that ground they went for the very big wheels
that fabian guy he beat you recently marcus?
and he's racing am?
ok....
i even know the color of his boxer shorts,but i won't spill all the secrets
my secret agent man from sweden told me
now...where's my ten euros marcus?
gimme
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Yes AM Straight Slalom is finally 2m10 because we had many people worrying it would be too hard.HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric wrote:Hum.... it was not THAT clear !!!
Straight slalom for ams has been painted a few days ago at 2.10m ( green spot fors those who will come earlier... )
Fred.
now you can train !
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hey guys
uncle donny needs some answers
#1 i need the t-shirt sizes in quantitites
#2 how far a way is the first cone from the starting ramps?i need to know that really fast.since i'm building the ramps with steve's help this is an interesting aspect to the actual height of the ramps.
#3if you pay for and extra hanger(roughly 100 euros) we'll also bring the big ramp for the gs to paris.
you know that baby from the last gog race.this could be some fun then.
what do you think?
wanna crank the gs up?
we got what you need for that.
everybody will love that.it's good for the spectators,it gives a fast entry into the gs course and it makes the race so much more spectacular.
uncle donny needs some answers
#1 i need the t-shirt sizes in quantitites
#2 how far a way is the first cone from the starting ramps?i need to know that really fast.since i'm building the ramps with steve's help this is an interesting aspect to the actual height of the ramps.
#3if you pay for and extra hanger(roughly 100 euros) we'll also bring the big ramp for the gs to paris.
you know that baby from the last gog race.this could be some fun then.
what do you think?
wanna crank the gs up?
we got what you need for that.
everybody will love that.it's good for the spectators,it gives a fast entry into the gs course and it makes the race so much more spectacular.
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- Flavio
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Please lets have the big ramp!! Even if that means me blowing all the gates on the way down the course! but nothing can beat don's "ejector effect"Donald Campbell wrote:hey guys
uncle donny needs some answers
#1 i need the t-shirt sizes in quantitites
#2 how far a way is the first cone from the starting ramps?i need to know that really fast.since i'm building the ramps with steve's help this is an interesting aspect to the actual height of the ramps.
#3if you pay for and extra hanger(roughly 100 euros) we'll also bring the big ramp for the gs to paris.
you know that baby from the last gog race.this could be some fun then.
what do you think?
wanna crank the gs up?
we got what you need for that.
everybody will love that.it's good for the spectators,it gives a fast entry into the gs course and it makes the race so much more spectacular.
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- Airflow - Skateboards
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That's contradictory: The Trocadéro slope is that short that you want to get the speed for GS from the beginning. A smaller ramp gives you less speed one a slope that's already almost too short for GS.Charles_Thubert wrote:The Big ramp is too BIG for Trocadero Giant.
Anyway, we're hoping for Nicolas to grant a road for GS!
rmn
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