[2004] World rankings: Overall

Dave Gale · Post by **Dave Gale** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:27 am

O.K. let's try it again,
In a nutshell:
M.S.S.S 2004 Slalom Results
1 Mollica
2 Vlad
3 Paul Price
4 Keith Hollien
5 Brian Parsons
6 Wes E.
7 Jadranko
8 J. Harms
9 Rick "66" Stanziale
10 Dave "LBK" Riordon
11 Tod Oles
12 Scott O'brian
13 Noemi
14 Greg F
15 Kevin Gamble
16 Chris Favero
17 Jeff Goad
18 Chris Bara
19 Alan Sidlo
20 Wesley Tucker
21 Jeff McCullar
22 Ben Barkley
23 Lenny Poage
24 Marc Fuentes
25 Craig Condon
26 Frederick Carter

Kevin M. Gamble · Post by **Kevin M. Gamble** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:54 pm

Wes,
Also, none of the 2004 DC Summer Outlaw races are on the events list.

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:39 pm

Kevin,
For the outlaws events January 17:th is in there and October 3:rd will soon be in there after the upcoming update tomorrow. Next to come are November 13th and December 4th. Any other Outlaws event than these I don't know of or don't have results for.

Ricky Byrd · Post by **Ricky Byrd** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 4:08 pm

Just a couple of bits of info for the www.slalomranking.com site...

Matt Gandy also show in the Boys/Girls (-14) rankings and Sarah Byrd belongs in the Girls (-11), my little angel is 10.

Thanks for the hard work! Great site!

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:18 pm

Thanks Ricky,
I'm greatful for all little bits of information that I can get. For the juniors I have problems unless they have entered an actual -17, -14 or -11 class. Then I assume they are 17, 14 or 11 years old that year. But even that is not perfect. What I use in the database is a birth year. I just update it as good as I can by looking at classes they enter. The best would of course be if I knew the birth year of all juniors from start. Now I know Sarah's for sure. And I will assume Matt's age is 14. The rest is still a partial guessing game.

For all juniors "virtual results" are created for each class depending on registered birth year. So if you are 11 years old and enter the general Open Am class the ranking will also calculate a "virtual result" for the -17, -14 and -11 class. If the same person enters the -17 class a "virtual result" will be created for -14 and -11 class and so on. If you are a girl/woman and enter a boys/mens class the ranking will also create "virtual results" for the girl/women rankings.

Now you understand why there is a need of a program calculating it all. And this is still just a small part of the reasons.

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:58 am

"Bravo" to Hans and people involved SlalomRanking.com
it's great
I'm waiting for your next improvement.. It'll be fun to see racer's season and profile pages will be great too!

alavoine jean paul · Post by **alavoine jean paul** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:16 pm

Vincent Berruchon wrote:"Bravo" to Hans and people involved SlalomRanking.com !

Approved by me, and most of the French skaters I suppose.

P.S.: I don't know how you manage to find the time to do all this. Keep up the good work!

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:02 pm

Alavoine wrote:P.S.: I don't know how you manage to find the time to do all this.

Well, I don't even want to think about that. It wasn't done over a night. It has been an ongoing project since a long time ago. Also, be a nice guy and don't tell Jani about the time consuming part. Daniel Poweleit helps out a lot too for the moment with the web programming. It's all a hobby so it will only advance in very small steps. But many small steps are powerful. They can get you to the top of a mountain. It's just a questions of time. So I just keep on walking...

alavoine jean paul · Post by **alavoine jean paul** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:36 pm

Well, I've also been into footworking...I know that a series of small steps can get us far. I'm not really into programming as you must have guessed by now, but if I can be of any help. My (long) experience of slalom racing might come in handy.
The feeling I get (from browsing on this site) is that we are moving towards the creation of an International Federation of some sort (ISSA again?) which could be an answer to many of the quarrels that have arisen on this site in the last few months. And as Jack Smith mentioned elsewhere, we should pay more attention to the fact that many of us are not in their 20's any longer, and that our contests should appeal more to younger skaters.

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:40 pm

I think contests should appeal to everybody. Many of the youngsters will come to competitions because of the older generation (sometimes parents). The more local competitions the more for the youngsters maybe. The young skaters doesn't have the same possibility to travel around as the older ones. But if the older slalomers travel they can often bring along the younger ones too.

To make slalom appeal more to youngsters is very much a media thing. If media thinks slalom is cool youngsters will too. The media is the answer. So let's start mediate.

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:40 pm

By the way, http://www.slalomranking.com have been updated with 3rd Annual Mountain State Slalom Skate in Fayetteville (WV, USA). No big changes for the big guys now at the end of the season. They have already taken their "high" points for the season. One exception though is Vlad. He had some results missing. He advanced from 39 to 30 in the 2004 PRO ranking. He would have been higher if he wouldn't have missed some of the high status competitions this year.

Same goes for the Ams. No big changes for the top guys at the end of the season. Brian Parson made a little jump. That's all I could see among the top 30 Ams for 2004.

For the women I noticed a small calculation error at the last update. Noemi Reichel had got a little bit too many points. Like she needed it. She actually have a World Ranking "straight flush". The maximum point possible for a women season, 2760 points. 2 Major wins (600x2) + 4 Main wins (390x4). This makes her number one on the Women season ranking for this year (2004). But on the 4-year ranking Lynn Kramer still holds on to the first place.

2004 PRO Ranking
1 Maurus Strobel, SUI
2 Kenny Mollica, USA
3 Richy Carrasco, USA
4 Chris Hart, SUI
5 Jason Mitchell, USA
6 Gary Fluitt, USA
7 Ramón Königshausen, SUI
8 Paul Price, GBR
9 Chris Barker, USA
10 Luca Giammarco, ITA

2004 Women TOT Ranking
1 Noemi Reichel, SUI
2 Lynn Kramer, USA
3 Nastasja Wolfensberger, SUI
4 Joy Spearing, SUI
5 Lienite Skaraine, LAT
6 Judi Oyama, USA
7 Kathrin Sehl, GER
8 Daniella Berger, SUI
9 Bettina Luginbühl, SUI
10 Keli Benko, USA

2004 AM Ranking
1 David Pirnack, USA
2 Vincent Berruchon, FRA
3 Heiko Schöller, GER
4 Jonathan Harms, USA
5 Hans Koraeus, SWE
6 Henrik Madsen, SWE
7 Rick Stanziale, USA
8 Jeff Goad, USA
9 Martin Drayton, TRI
10 Anders Hellqvist, SWE

See http://www.SlalomRanking.com for more details and complete listings.

Martin Drayton · Post by **Martin Drayton** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:29 pm

Well done Corky for all your work! I think a ranking system like this is great and its really cool to see "where you are"...
ps. Hope to get above you Vincent and Heiko next year!!!!

alavoine jean paul · Post by **alavoine jean paul** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:41 pm

Isn't Vinz turning pro next year???

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:35 pm

Team ConeRacing occupies four out of the top ten slots in the Am 2004 ranking:

2004 AM Ranking
2. Vincent Berruchon, FRA
5. Hans Koraeus, SWE
6. Henrik Madsen, SWE
10. Anders Hellqvist, SWE

Well done boys! All four have committed to improve their skills for next year. At least two of these will go Pro next year. At least one is likely to stay Am 2005...

We'll come back in time for the 2005 season with the official team presentation and announce the Pro/Am status of our racers.

/Jani

alavoine jean paul · Post by **alavoine jean paul** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:48 pm

What are the wages at Cone Racing ? Will Vinz get money for every picture in a Magazine, as all pros should ? Will he also change nationalities???

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:00 pm

Here are 4 Am's that after this year are candidates for moving up to Pro according to their 6 best ranking points this season.

- David Pirnack, USA
1:st and a 3:rd at the Worlds (Major). Four (Main) 1:st places (La Costa Open, U.S. Championships of Skateboard Racing, The Farm 4 - Sold out)

- Henrik Madsen, SWE
1:st and 2:nd at the European Championships (Major). Only two (Main) results, 5:th and 7:th in Paris World Cup.

- Anders Hellquist, SWE
No "Major" results. Four "Main" results, 1:st and 2:nd in Paris World Cup and two 1:st places in Antibes.

- Stephan Hinzen, GER
1:st and 5:th at the European Championships (Major). No other results.

I think Pirnack, Madsen and Hellquist are ready for the Pros. Hinzen could be too maybe. Apart from these four I don't see any other who has reason to go Pro. Just because you win one Am race doesn't mean you must "turn Pro". But if you start collecting them...

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:29 am

Latest update of the World Ranking is done with "BLR Outlaw Pump Station GS". And a couple of other small fixes. Some girls where registered as men by mistake and didn't show up in the women rankings. Also the Junior rankings will always be a problem until all juniors give their correct birth year. Now it's a little bit of a guessing game.

There have been a lot of talk around the 2004 1-year ranking so far which is natural during the season I guess. But it is the 4-year ranking that is the real thing and longterm goal in my view. That's the one that will get published in magazines and here it's not a one year story. It's a more longtime committement. For now there are only 2 seasons (2003 and 2004) counted but after next year we will have the first complete one. Well almost. To be exact you will need 4 years but the 4:th year (your lowest year point of the last four years) does not count.

Gilmour with his year off has fallen from 4:th to 39:th place this year (PRO 4-year ranking). But after next season 2005 he will already take back some of this fall in the ranking and after the 2006 season his year off (2004) will not count anymore.

Here is the "real" PRO World (4-year) Ranking after the 2004 season.

PRO World Ranking 2004
1 Kenny Mollica, USA (+1, 2-1)
2 Maurus Strobel, SUI (+1, 3-2)
3 Luca Giammarco, ITA (-2, 1-3)
4 Richy Carrasco, USA (+2, 6-4)
5 Michael Dong, USA (no change)
6 Paul Price, GBR (+1, 7-6)
7 Barrett Deck, USA (+3, 10-7)
8 Steve Olson, USA (+5, 13-8 )
9 Keith Hollien, USA (+3, 12-9)
10 Jani Söderhäll, SWE (-1, 9-10)
11 Chris Hart, SUI (+19, 30-11) New top 20!
12 Gary Fluitt, USA (+25, 37-12) New top 20!
13 Bobby Mandarino, USA (+2, 15-13)
14 Mike Maysey, USA (-6, 8-14)
15 Dhyan Fischer, SUI (-4, 11-15)
16 Vlad Popov, RUS (+1, 17-16)
17 Martin Siegrist, SUI (+21, 38-17) New top 20!
18 Brent Kosick, USA (+2, 20-18 )
19 Steve Evans, USA (+9, 28-19) New top 20!
20 Michael Stride, GBR (+15, 35-20) New top 20!
For complete ranking please visit http://www.slalomranking.com

Top 20 climbers coming into top 20
Gary Fluitt, USA (+25, from 37 to 12)
Martin Siegrist, SUI (+21, from 38 to 17)
Chris Hart, SUI (+19, from 30 to 11)

Top 20 droppers from top 20 last year
John Gilmour, USA (-35, from 4 to 39)
Gianluca Ferrero, ITA (-31, from 16 to 47)
Eric Groff, USA (-24, from 14 to 38 )
Mark McCree, USA (-7, from 18 to 25)
Jojo Linder, SUI (-2, from 19 to 21)

Niall Horton-Stephens · Post by **Niall Horton-Stephens** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:57 am

Just wanted to add a thanks for all the hard work getting this ranking system together... even if it has its flaws, it's a great personal measuring tool - it just feels good to appear on the radar... even if only as a little blip!

Carsten Pingel · Post by **Carsten Pingel** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:05 pm

Hi Corky,
the 2nd column in the world ranking says No.
Does the number describe the amount of races I entered ?
In my case it says 3, but I only started GS/TS at the ESC2004 in Cologne.
In my understanding that would be 2 ! Is that right ?

Carsten Pingel · Post by **Carsten Pingel** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:21 pm

Ok ok ok ,
heiko just told me that the race in Austria , the OSS jam, counted also for the rankings !
Thats sounds ok to me !

Daniel Poweleit · Post by **Daniel Poweleit** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:10 pm

Thanks for all the good words on Slalomranking.com.

It is a pleasure for me to do all that work for the slalom comunity.
It is fun and it is very constructive to work together with Corky!

And I try my best to not to work to hard in the nights, but this season makes it easier to sit in front of the computer instead of running though the cones on the board.

Have fun with it!

Daniel

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:30 am

Girl ranking questions.

Is Millie Chapman a girl?

Is Isabelle Caudle French?

Jack Smith · Post by **Jack Smith** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:41 am

Yes

No - She is from the San Diego area.

Glenn Chapman · Post by **Glenn Chapman** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:55 pm

Millie Chapman is a 12 year old Girl. 2004 was her first year of racing and she lives in Beverly, MA. USA.

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:02 am

Hum.. don't want to create polemics but I was thinking that there was a minimum of racers needed for an event .
Should a race with three people be counted in the ranking?
for exemple this one:
<A href="http://www.slalomranking.com/rankings/e ... ddd0392031">
Cambria Calling Cambria (CA, USA) 0 23.05.2004 B USW </A>
I know nothing about it but was it raining? or nobody want to race with the owner of this forum

At the same time I can also see a only <a href="http://www.slalomranking.com/rankings/e ... ddd0392031"> ?Venezuelan? race</a> count only 3 racers too,
but perhaps there is not much racers in this country and it's great that they appear here.

Jack Smith · Post by **Jack Smith** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:20 am

Vincent...relax

Cambria Calling was nothing more than a fun weekend race. I have no idea why it was included in the rankings. Did it actually effect the rankings in any way? I can't believe it did.

I didn't "own" this site at the time of the event.

Jack Smith
#248 in the World!

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:00 pm

Jack Smith wrote:Vincent...relax

Cambria Calling was nothing more than a fun weekend race. I have no idea why it was included in the rankings. Did it actually effect the rankings in any way? I can't believe it did.

I didn't "own" this site at the time of the event.

Jack Smith
#248 in the World!

No problem Jack

And no matter that you own the site or not, it was just a joke! (fun to see that you probably organize the biggest race in the word but you also participate one of the smallest!! any personal attack in that. Thanks again for your investment in slalom)

It's not really important that this one or another is included.
In fact even if I think that it's great to see a lot of races in the event list
perhaps rules should specify something about the number of racers (in our French championship, there is a minimum number required - I didn't find something like that in rules I've found...)

Perhaps this kind of races should only give really few points (perhaps we could make exception for countries with very few racers)

One other point to include a race in the ranking should be that the race have been well anounced (at least on this forum for example)

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:44 pm

Your thoughts are correct Vincent but for the World Ranking these competitions have a very small impact and in most cases no impact at all. So far I think it's more important having them show to encourage everybody to throw down competitions. Sure with time rules and definitions will get tightened up. But for the lowest status competitions they will never have a great impact on the ranking. See them more like a way of sucking up as many slalom competitors as possible on the international slalom scene. If you start to care about your World Ranking placement these competitions you enter more for fun and practice. But don't forget that they could of course be important for other loacal series or rankings. To do good in the world ranking you have to enter the high status competitions of the year.

For WR high status competitons I agree we should start to set up some rules about pre announcements. For example that a competition date and status must be announced/published at least x months in advance. For example: 5 months for a Major, 3 months for a Main and 1 Month for a Prime. For the Basic status there is no need since they have such a low impact on the rankings.

And Jack your #248 in the world didn't sound correct to me. Here are the correct data for you.
Season 2004: #105 TOT and #49 AM
World Ranking (4-year): #78 TOT and #23 AM

Jack Smith · Post by **Jack Smith** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:18 pm

Hi Vincent,

I knew you were joking, no offense was taken. Now if Corky would have counted the JPL race I won last year I may have been ranked even higher.

Just kidding...

Have fun!

Jack

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:13 am

There have been some small fixes with the rank data again. The biggest thing being that the GS in "2004 Gorge Games" (Hood River, CA, USA) had not been entered into the system. Now it is. For you who did enter the GS in Hood River may have gained in the rankings. Here is what I found out.

Season Ranking Pro (2004)
14 Barrett Deck +1 (15-14)
20 Noah Heinle 0 (20) Gain points but stay put
24 Tay Hunt +1 (25-24)
54 Terrence Kirby +7 (61-54)

Season Ranking Am (2004)
07 Gareth Roe +4 (11-7)
18 Paul Howard +11 (29-18 )
67 Pete Ingraham +11 (78-67)
69 Glenn Chapman +5 (74-69)
Further down the rankings we have some great Am climbers
109 Dan Hughes +58 (167-109)
150 Steven King +96 (246-150)
209 David Bryant +133 (342-209)
220 Aaron Burks +83 (303-220)

Season Ranking Women (2004)
29 Sarah Loveland +6 (35-29)

For complete rankings check out http://www.slalomranking.com

Jeff Goad · Post by **Jeff Goad** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:12 pm

did i get points for the g.s? i drop, while other people that placed lower than me in the g.s get bumped higher than me. i dont get it.

Rick Stanziale · Post by **Rick Stanziale** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:08 pm

handin' out trophies like the government got cheese

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:04 pm

Jeff, Rick,

Yes, it does seem strange doesn't it. Gareth who placed after Jeff in the GS will gain some points compared to his previous result but Jeff will not. Until we have put up the possibility to check race results for a specific racer it will take a lot of work to figure it out. But luckily I'm here to help out.

Jeff Goad
The six best results count per racer and year. In Jeff's case the lowest point of his 6 best results from the 2004 season is 213 points from his 10:th place in The Farm 4 - Sold out (Special Am). Jeff's 4:th place in the Hood GS gave him 200 points. Since this point is not higher than his 213 points above it does not change his total Am Ranking point.
Note! His 10:th Farm place gives better point than his 4:th Hood place because the status of the Farm Event was higher.

Gareth Roe
Gareths lowest point of his 6 best results from the 2004 season was 126 points from his 2:nd place in a Cascade Slalom Association event. Gareth's 7:th place in the Hood GS gave him 175 points. Since this point is higher than his 126 points above it does add 49 points to his earlier total Am Ranking point. This was possible because he had a very high point (1:st place in Special Am at the World Championships in Morro Bay) mixed with a very low point. This did not show in his average point where they balanced each other out.

Now, 49 points added is not much but it just happens that he was in a pack of racers that was very tight. From 5:th to 13 place in the Am season ranking it only differs 70 points.

Code: Select all

05 Hans Koraeus, SWE     1713     6     286   
06 Henrik Madsen, SWE    1701     4     358   
07 Gareth Roe, USA       1699     6     283   
08 Rick Stanziale, USA   1690     6     282   
09 Jeff Goad, USA        1672     6     279   
10 Martin Drayton, TRI   1665     6     278   
11 Anders Hellqvist, SWE 1659     6     276   
12 Miko Biffle, USA      1649     6     275   
13 Mark Johnson, USA     1643     6     274

If Gareth would have had another 2 points he would have been 6. If he would have had another 10 points he would have been 5. If Rick Stanziale would have had an extra 10 points somewhere he would have been ahead of Gareth. It's all very close. Just noted another funny thing. There are almost only Swedes and Americans in this group.

Well, there it is. Everyone will later be able to list all their personal results from the season at http://www.slalomranking.com. Unfortunately we don't have time to do all that we want at once. But we do advance. One little step at a time.

Vlad Popov · Post by **Vlad Popov** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:46 am

Corky,

how many top 20s didn't attend the Worlds and the EU Championships this year?

I remember you had this statitstic last year... if it's too much hustle, don't worry about it.

Thanks.

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:26 pm

No problem Vlad.

Among the the top 20 in the PRO season ranking there are only 2 that did not attend any "Major". Luca Giammarco, ITA (10) and Noah Heinle, USA (20). Almost the same for the top 20 in the AM season ranking. Only Anders Hellqvist, SWE (11) and Aaron Morris, USA (19) did not attend one of the 2 "Majors" of the season.

It is tough to fight for good places in the World Ranking if you do not attend the Majors. The system is constructed so that at least once a year, on each side of the Atlantic, most of the skaters will show up at the same time for the ultimate challenge.

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:35 pm

Another thing to take into account is to see if people are using the number of results they have the right to. For the Pro's that is 8 result points. I'm happy to see that everybody except Luca have their 8 result points (among the top 20). So in this sence Luca is actually punished extra hard by the system this year. Only six discipline points and no Major competition results.

In the Am ranking there are three persons not using the 6 result points you have the right to count (among the top 20). Henrik Madsen, SWE (6), John Ravitch, USA (14) and Stephan Hinzen, GER (20).

Note! You are not punished as hard as in the initial WR calculation rules by not using the number of result points you are entitled to. If you are missing discipline results you will get some extra points for those missing results weighted on your average point. But it's done in a way so that it still would have been an advantage if you would have competed. For first missed result you get 50% of your average point. For 2:nd-4:th results you only get 25% of your average point. For 5:th and up you get no extra points. This is why the ranking point for some people are higher than what you get by only adding their result points manually. In cases where discipline results are missing you must then also add the weight points as explained above. I don't use a calculation program for no reason.

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