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Boston 4th of July. John Gilmours Boston Cup on Memorial Drive followed by the worlds greatest Fireworks show right next to the race site! The 5th will be a great day of Park racing at the Rye Airfield in Rye NH 50 min from Boston. Show your park slalom skills and race against the clock in two park events. Email me for more info. TK
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Tenative schedule. Weather could change everything.
July 3rd.
Arrive in Boston. No slalom on the 3rd. Meeting though over dinner to discuss rules and so forth.
July 4th
Course Type:
Hybrid Loose Limited push start (all ability levels)
(Longboard class race runs at same time)
Single track practice and Registration. 10- 10:40
10:45- 10:50 racers meeting.
Qualifications. Fastest time of 2 runs determines qualification order. Cone penalty .1 second per cone. No DQ limit. Fastest 8 skaters advance in "A" Bracket Next fastest 16 racers race in "B" bracket.
1pm Dual racing begins.
Lunch break.
3:30 racing resumes.
3:30 Combo racing. Long Push start (Advanced beginner to Pro level) The course will be a combination of TS gates and GS Dual racing top 8 advance.
5pm.
Dual tight slalom Pro level high speed techSL. Long Push start (High intermediate to pro level)
5:00 to 5:40 practice.
5:45 to 6:30 Qualifications top 16 advance.
6:45 - 8pm racing.
9pm fireworks. Chinese dinner afterwards. Starts late ends late.
July 5th.
Late afternoon cookout at TK's
5pm Ryeairfield slalom. Race Indoors 6pm- 9pm. Possiblity for outdoor TS.
July 6th.
Arnold arboretum outlaw race. Single track only. Jam style format. Combo Format and High speed TechSL. Two rounds if time permits. Race all day and progress, or lay down your runs drive home and pray. Each round lasts 45 minutes. This will be one of the funnest places to slalom. Challenging terrain- good speed and flow.Payout.
1st gets 50%
2nd gets 35%
3rd gets 10%
10th gets 5%
The racing for 10th may be fierce. Intense sandbagging likely.
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July 3rd.
Arrive in Boston. No slalom on the 3rd. Meeting though over dinner to discuss rules and so forth.
July 4th
Course Type:
Hybrid Loose Limited push start (all ability levels)
(Longboard class race runs at same time)
Single track practice and Registration. 10- 10:40
10:45- 10:50 racers meeting.
Qualifications. Fastest time of 2 runs determines qualification order. Cone penalty .1 second per cone. No DQ limit. Fastest 8 skaters advance in "A" Bracket Next fastest 16 racers race in "B" bracket.
1pm Dual racing begins.
Lunch break.
3:30 racing resumes.
3:30 Combo racing. Long Push start (Advanced beginner to Pro level) The course will be a combination of TS gates and GS Dual racing top 8 advance.
5pm.
Dual tight slalom Pro level high speed techSL. Long Push start (High intermediate to pro level)
5:00 to 5:40 practice.
5:45 to 6:30 Qualifications top 16 advance.
6:45 - 8pm racing.
9pm fireworks. Chinese dinner afterwards. Starts late ends late.
July 5th.
Late afternoon cookout at TK's
5pm Ryeairfield slalom. Race Indoors 6pm- 9pm. Possiblity for outdoor TS.
July 6th.
Arnold arboretum outlaw race. Single track only. Jam style format. Combo Format and High speed TechSL. Two rounds if time permits. Race all day and progress, or lay down your runs drive home and pray. Each round lasts 45 minutes. This will be one of the funnest places to slalom. Challenging terrain- good speed and flow.Payout.
1st gets 50%
2nd gets 35%
3rd gets 10%
10th gets 5%
The racing for 10th may be fierce. Intense sandbagging likely.
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John,
Of course I won't be there (damnit,) but I have a question. You say "no slalom on the 3rd." Why not? One of the most fun events last year was the night time slalom in the Commons.
Maybe if folks know in advance to anticipate a jam session they will make plans to be there Thursday instead of waiting til Friday morning? At least Chaput will know where to have the taxi to take him this year.
Just a thought.
Of course I won't be there (damnit,) but I have a question. You say "no slalom on the 3rd." Why not? One of the most fun events last year was the night time slalom in the Commons.
Maybe if folks know in advance to anticipate a jam session they will make plans to be there Thursday instead of waiting til Friday morning? At least Chaput will know where to have the taxi to take him this year.
Just a thought.
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Hi Wesley,
I just remember how tired we were on the 4th after two days of skating and skating late at night the night before.
I think it was great... but we have more slalom after the 4th.
Also I want the 4th to go later this time so we could have the finals when people are around. Sunset is at 8:15 pm
They did pave a new road in teh Boston common and of course if people want to slalom there...go for it. But I would save it for the 4th.
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I just remember how tired we were on the 4th after two days of skating and skating late at night the night before.
I think it was great... but we have more slalom after the 4th.
Also I want the 4th to go later this time so we could have the finals when people are around. Sunset is at 8:15 pm
They did pave a new road in teh Boston common and of course if people want to slalom there...go for it. But I would save it for the 4th.
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[bitchy cheap realistic bastard]
The fee better not be over $20.00 tops.
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Actually that park thing can be whatever but the boston race better bee free or cheap. Not last year.
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The fee better not be over $20.00 tops.
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Actually that park thing can be whatever but the boston race better bee free or cheap. Not last year.
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I'm down for a free race. Whats the winner gonna get though??? The Eskimos used to offer their wives to friends who traveled and stayed in the igloo. This seems like a cool tradition. Does anyone have a wife or girlfriend they can offer up to the Champion???
PS , Sandy just had a baby so she is excluded this year.
PS , Sandy just had a baby so she is excluded this year.
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ewwwwww, thats gross Chris. Yes 20 seems good, It'll keep the cheep skates from whining and still give a little something for gas ,beer, and PVD parts. 20 it is.
Since this IS the 4th of JUly. Everyone feel free to Chime in about how you want the race run. Its OUR race after all. The Farm Race however will be run in a Total Dictatorship manner so save your breath for that one. Carry on.
Since this IS the 4th of JUly. Everyone feel free to Chime in about how you want the race run. Its OUR race after all. The Farm Race however will be run in a Total Dictatorship manner so save your breath for that one. Carry on.
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I say we start early before the heat.set up at 8am racing by 9am. One course. Special Slalom bringing together TS, mid and GS style all in one course. Keep the format SIMPLE. Run it Like Hester did the first LA Costa. Top 1 through 16 qualifiers are the A pro. 17th through 32 is the B pro. Trying to run 2or3 events in a day is a recipe for a cluster#$%^. We should be done by 3pm so guys can either go home to their families if they have to or go have a shower and return for fireworks. Races I've been to have always taken 2x longer than expected. Keep the format simple and fun with good timing and a good course. As far as the crowd thing goes the people are there to see the fireworks and get a good seat. Waiting till 7 or 8 to run finals will result in lots of lookie loos crossing our course and getting in the way. Not worth it. TK
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TK and Squire Gilmour,
Just a quick question and suggestion from a Monday morning quarterback: is Bryan Parsons going to make it? Or someone from the DC area? Perhaps they'd be kind enough to bring along Brian's bracket board?
That would be so much nicer than Gilmour and Sandy drawing with chalk in the middle of the road! plus, it would avoid a really nasty slick spot on the asphalt for later courses.
Just a quick question and suggestion from a Monday morning quarterback: is Bryan Parsons going to make it? Or someone from the DC area? Perhaps they'd be kind enough to bring along Brian's bracket board?
That would be so much nicer than Gilmour and Sandy drawing with chalk in the middle of the road! plus, it would avoid a really nasty slick spot on the asphalt for later courses.
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I like TK's plan. Start early, one good course, finish early ready to celebrate the 4th. Last year it was so hot by noon I was glad I had Red Sox tickets just to get out of the sun (I wasn't racing because I had run cones only once before the race). There will be lots of people down there but they will all be heading for the Hatch Shell down the river to grab a good spot to view fireworks. They won't linger to watch a race, especially if its getting later. The spot is closed off the whole day so if people want to keep riding they can. I plan on getting out of Dodge and heading north, I've seen the crowds on the 4th, its insane. Worth seeing once but I prefer setting off bottlerockets in a country backyard while drinking beer than dealing with a million people packed into a small park.
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Vlad, I'm coming to race and hang out and everyone else should come too. July 4th in Boston is like history in the making and should be experienced by everyone at some point. I've seen it though and in my neigborhood its a warzone at night. Better to get out of town and go see family. I'll be at the other races too.
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Make it 14. How many did you see on Friday and Saturday?huh?
There were at least 4 weed smoking dudes under the bridge in Boston who stuck there all day. That's besides the crowds on the roof, hundreds of passing fire-work-watchin potential Fidelity cusomers, hot chicks from the Baltic republics who didn't let Chaput win both times, fat-ass mammas on the grass (literally) on the left, bunch of kids playing on the other side of the hill, Policemen on and off the course, Victoria, CMC's parents and bro, and many many stray pedestians.
If you count Breck's 3-day crowd and compare it with the Boston's one-day crowd, Boston is going to win. It doens't matter that people didn't come there to watch the race. Thousands of race spectators (about 3-4-5 rows at a time) weren't there for the race in Trocadero. They were just passing by.
I'm gonna count only the 4 weed smoking dudes under the bridge. 4 is how many times greater then 0? I say 14. What say you?
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The crowd was perfect. I (personally) want to see more of hot Baltic chicks on the right and less of hot fatass mammas on the left.
Don't disregard those bridge walkers who stop by and watch the race. There were hundreds if not a thousand of those last year. John wants to move the finals closer to the fireworks so that more potential Fidelity's clients can see some tightass wigling from the bridge.
Don't disregard those bridge walkers who stop by and watch the race. There were hundreds if not a thousand of those last year. John wants to move the finals closer to the fireworks so that more potential Fidelity's clients can see some tightass wigling from the bridge.
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I remember lots of people crossing the bridge above Storrow. I got spit on twice. It actually felt good on that particular day.
The dudes under the bridge weren't sharing, so I forgot about them. I remember now.
I agree with your point. But I don't remember anyone besides friends and family that WATCHED the raceS. I do believe many people SAW a race or two before or after they crossed.
It'll probably rain anyway.
The dudes under the bridge weren't sharing, so I forgot about them. I remember now.
I agree with your point. But I don't remember anyone besides friends and family that WATCHED the raceS. I do believe many people SAW a race or two before or after they crossed.
It'll probably rain anyway.
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There are new Pics of the Park slalom event on July 5th. Go to http://www.skatenh.com and click on the park slalom icon. Tell me what you think. TK
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How about $25? As for finalists tossing in extra cash- hey I'm all for it. That should bring out the real sandbaggers.
I met with Jim at Houghton Miflin Publishing today and talked about a poster- he'll have one ready tonight.
One thing I would really like to do is bring spectators to our event. After all....if we don't make an effort to bring spectators down to watch.....then we may as well have a race in the middle of nowhere.
I thought one idea would be to have regular sized helium ballons anouncing the race location and events. At Lunch the skaters could take 10 balloons each and go down the river and tie them to the backs of peoples lawn chairs(With their permission) along with some flyering. It's a group effort.
A balloon tied to the chair could be tied at eye level.
Bored people waiting for the fireworks might make the effort to wander on down.
The other option is to move the site to one of the underpasses closer to teh spectators. Using the underpasses that lead to the tunnels would be okay as there would be no chance of a spectator crossing our path...but realistically, that is also very unlikely given our current location.
Bringing the race to the spectators might be a lot of fun.
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I met with Jim at Houghton Miflin Publishing today and talked about a poster- he'll have one ready tonight.
One thing I would really like to do is bring spectators to our event. After all....if we don't make an effort to bring spectators down to watch.....then we may as well have a race in the middle of nowhere.
I thought one idea would be to have regular sized helium ballons anouncing the race location and events. At Lunch the skaters could take 10 balloons each and go down the river and tie them to the backs of peoples lawn chairs(With their permission) along with some flyering. It's a group effort.
A balloon tied to the chair could be tied at eye level.
Bored people waiting for the fireworks might make the effort to wander on down.
The other option is to move the site to one of the underpasses closer to teh spectators. Using the underpasses that lead to the tunnels would be okay as there would be no chance of a spectator crossing our path...but realistically, that is also very unlikely given our current location.
Bringing the race to the spectators might be a lot of fun.
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Camping is allowed on the Charles River from July 2nd onward until the night of the 4th.
For those worried about setting up camp.
http://www.heartlandamerica.com/se/94841.html
Instant set up- sleeps 6 (Read 4) $69
For those worried about setting up camp.
http://www.heartlandamerica.com/se/94841.html
Instant set up- sleeps 6 (Read 4) $69
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Things that are more important than a crowd...
1. Timing System (tway can we count on you for one)
2. Timers Table with pens and a calculator.
3. Chalk.
4. Bracket board for racers
5. A big cooler with drinks for the volunteers
6. Cone marhshalls.walkie talkies
7. a good course.
If we can get these things everything else will fall into place including spectators.
Last year we only had mabey 2 or 3 things on the list hence less spectators. For every new thing on the list this year we will have 23 to 31 spectators. Lets use our energy to have a good event for the racers and I can assure you the lookie loos will follow.
1. Timing System (tway can we count on you for one)
2. Timers Table with pens and a calculator.
3. Chalk.
4. Bracket board for racers
5. A big cooler with drinks for the volunteers
6. Cone marhshalls.walkie talkies
7. a good course.
If we can get these things everything else will fall into place including spectators.
Last year we only had mabey 2 or 3 things on the list hence less spectators. For every new thing on the list this year we will have 23 to 31 spectators. Lets use our energy to have a good event for the racers and I can assure you the lookie loos will follow.
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Do I read this correctly? Does that mean course-side camping?On 2003-06-26 20:38, John Gilmour wrote:
Camping is allowed on the Charles River from July 2nd onward until the night of the 4th.
Sounds too good....gotta be gone right after the fireworks, eh?
For two days now, Im getting no answer at that Howard Johnsons/hostel place. Is it still there?
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Terence has a good idea there. We should make sure ahead of time that we will have all of these things. I will bring what I already have - the bracket board and chalk. Who can bring the table, chair, calculator, timing system, walkie talkies and official coneheads? Gilmour can bring the courses. Crowds are far from unimportant, but I do agree that in order to make the best impression, the race needs to be organized and run smoothly.
Noah, if you found the number for the HoJo, there is probably no answer because it’s not a HoJo right now (or is it ever anymore?). The phone number for the hostel is (617) 267-8599
Maybe we could actually get the group rate this year. I have no idea how many people are coming though.
Noah, if you found the number for the HoJo, there is probably no answer because it’s not a HoJo right now (or is it ever anymore?). The phone number for the hostel is (617) 267-8599
Maybe we could actually get the group rate this year. I have no idea how many people are coming though.
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Racing schedule.
I'll put this out to the racers- open forum.
A few things that made me consider the schedule.
1. I'd prefer not to have people racing in the hottest sun hours 11-2pm.
2. There should be a lunch break
3. I would like to have more than one type of slalom.
Terry has been getting feedback that some racers would prefer a different format than the proposed schedule above.
So I would like to modify the schedule to accommodate people.
To give people an idea of the courses set would help people make decisions.
COURSE
DEFINITIONS-
"beginner slalom" very easy course like Morro Bay Slalom 2003 though more offset. Easy to make on any longboard. - I would like to have this either at the beginning (so y'all can sleep late after partying the night before or drive in that day without having to get up at 5am) or I would like to have this at the end so anyone with a longboard that was watching could run a course- (pretty much open to the public) If we had it at the end of the day I would leave the pro course set up next to it so people who had trouble doing the pro course could stay and improve their skills.
"Intermediate slalom" a course with about the same difficulty level as 'Da farm 2 GS…perhaps a little easier if you were less skilled- fast racers will charge it and have lots of fun. Unlimited push.
"Pro Slalom" a course that is very dificult- slightly harder than the TS at 'Da farm 2.0. Extreme body angulation and line choice required- short boards a must. I think only about 12 or fewer people on the East coast will be able to manage it at speed.
So here is a choice of scenarios.
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Choice #1. (one race- home early)
One race. Starts at 10am. (practice starts at 9am) Intermediate slalom. A pro bracket of 8 racers. B pro bracket of 32 or what ever is left up to 32 racers. Lunch from 12-1:30 Finish by 3:30pm. Go Home or stay and run some gates.
*pros finish early be home with the folks early.
*Cons- You could cook like last year and the year before as you Race through the hottest part of the day...not as much racing for those traveling far like Mark McCree who is coming from Fla.
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Choice #2 (fastest racing when it is coolest)
Single track Beginner slalom at 10am (lets everything get set up perfectly for other two races. Think of it like womens and kids slalom at FCR) You can party in Boston the night before and show at 2:30 ready to race- after the heat of the day is gone. If you are a good slalomer…you wouldn't bother showing up early.
Lunch from 12-2 Hottest hours. Barbeque- hamburgers or bring your own for the grill.
2:15 practice
3:00 Intermediate slalom (like "da farm 2.0 GS - a mixture of ts and gs gates) unlimited push. Top 16 advance. Weather would be cooler. Forecast is for 84 degree high and partly cloudy -if sun comes out it would be hotter.
5:30-8 Pro TechSl. Very technical fast slalom like Da farm 2.0 TS with very long push. Top 16 from Intermediate slalom are seeded. Qualify fastest of two runs. Top 8 advance. The weather will be cooler- road grippiest and crowds likely would be there. (It was no suprise to me the other years that crowds were small because of the intense heat- this year looks to be much much cooler). Sunset is at 8:24pm Ryeairfield race the next day is a night race.
*Pros- racing occurs during coolest part of day with most spectators.
*Cons- I would like to change this so the timer people can go home early. Passerby Beginners not able to try to slalom.
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Choice #3 (Finish early and bail on beginner slalom)
10:00 - 12:30 Intermediate slalom (gets you warmed up for pro slalom) get top 16 racers and run to bracket of 8 If we have time we also run b-pro bracket of 16 or 24
Lunch 12:30-2
2- run the round of 8.
practice 2:30-3
3:00- 5:30 Pro slalom and awards. Likely pro slalom will finish quickly qualifiers are taken from top 16 qualifying times of Intermediate. 2 runs fastest counts to qualify for round of 8. My hopes are that we will finish quickly. 16 runs + 8+ 4+2 +2 = 32 runs.
Afterwards- I leave the Pro slalom or intermediate course up and we can clinic and I also set a Beginner Slalom course (also suitable for longboards) and open this to the public and encourage racers to try to encourage new participants. If racers want and crowds allow for it they can race duel for the crowds. Head to head grass roots no timer. Racers staying can set any course they like or run the Intermediate or pro slalom courses.
*Pros- Timer staff can go home after pro slalom. Begginners that watch can try slalom after.
*Cons Pro Slalom goes off without many crowds and during warmer part of the day.
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Choice #4 (Pros can leave earlier still)
Pro slalom 10:00
Intermediate slalom 2:30
Beginner slalom. 5:30
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Last year we were plagued by extremely high heat and timer failures and mishaps adding 3 hours of downtime. I don't expect super high temps or long timer mishaps this year. Tway's timer is pretty much perfect now. Last year we got 2 events off. Straight slalom and GS. With good weather I don't think we will have trouble getting two events off.
All the courses will be fun to run and challenging- except for the beginner slalom- which is really a longboard slalom. The hills pitch can not support a true GS or high speed 30mph+ longboard slalom.
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I'll put this out to the racers- open forum.
A few things that made me consider the schedule.
1. I'd prefer not to have people racing in the hottest sun hours 11-2pm.
2. There should be a lunch break
3. I would like to have more than one type of slalom.
Terry has been getting feedback that some racers would prefer a different format than the proposed schedule above.
So I would like to modify the schedule to accommodate people.
To give people an idea of the courses set would help people make decisions.
COURSE
DEFINITIONS-
"beginner slalom" very easy course like Morro Bay Slalom 2003 though more offset. Easy to make on any longboard. - I would like to have this either at the beginning (so y'all can sleep late after partying the night before or drive in that day without having to get up at 5am) or I would like to have this at the end so anyone with a longboard that was watching could run a course- (pretty much open to the public) If we had it at the end of the day I would leave the pro course set up next to it so people who had trouble doing the pro course could stay and improve their skills.
"Intermediate slalom" a course with about the same difficulty level as 'Da farm 2 GS…perhaps a little easier if you were less skilled- fast racers will charge it and have lots of fun. Unlimited push.
"Pro Slalom" a course that is very dificult- slightly harder than the TS at 'Da farm 2.0. Extreme body angulation and line choice required- short boards a must. I think only about 12 or fewer people on the East coast will be able to manage it at speed.
So here is a choice of scenarios.
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Choice #1. (one race- home early)
One race. Starts at 10am. (practice starts at 9am) Intermediate slalom. A pro bracket of 8 racers. B pro bracket of 32 or what ever is left up to 32 racers. Lunch from 12-1:30 Finish by 3:30pm. Go Home or stay and run some gates.
*pros finish early be home with the folks early.
*Cons- You could cook like last year and the year before as you Race through the hottest part of the day...not as much racing for those traveling far like Mark McCree who is coming from Fla.
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Choice #2 (fastest racing when it is coolest)
Single track Beginner slalom at 10am (lets everything get set up perfectly for other two races. Think of it like womens and kids slalom at FCR) You can party in Boston the night before and show at 2:30 ready to race- after the heat of the day is gone. If you are a good slalomer…you wouldn't bother showing up early.
Lunch from 12-2 Hottest hours. Barbeque- hamburgers or bring your own for the grill.
2:15 practice
3:00 Intermediate slalom (like "da farm 2.0 GS - a mixture of ts and gs gates) unlimited push. Top 16 advance. Weather would be cooler. Forecast is for 84 degree high and partly cloudy -if sun comes out it would be hotter.
5:30-8 Pro TechSl. Very technical fast slalom like Da farm 2.0 TS with very long push. Top 16 from Intermediate slalom are seeded. Qualify fastest of two runs. Top 8 advance. The weather will be cooler- road grippiest and crowds likely would be there. (It was no suprise to me the other years that crowds were small because of the intense heat- this year looks to be much much cooler). Sunset is at 8:24pm Ryeairfield race the next day is a night race.
*Pros- racing occurs during coolest part of day with most spectators.
*Cons- I would like to change this so the timer people can go home early. Passerby Beginners not able to try to slalom.
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Choice #3 (Finish early and bail on beginner slalom)
10:00 - 12:30 Intermediate slalom (gets you warmed up for pro slalom) get top 16 racers and run to bracket of 8 If we have time we also run b-pro bracket of 16 or 24
Lunch 12:30-2
2- run the round of 8.
practice 2:30-3
3:00- 5:30 Pro slalom and awards. Likely pro slalom will finish quickly qualifiers are taken from top 16 qualifying times of Intermediate. 2 runs fastest counts to qualify for round of 8. My hopes are that we will finish quickly. 16 runs + 8+ 4+2 +2 = 32 runs.
Afterwards- I leave the Pro slalom or intermediate course up and we can clinic and I also set a Beginner Slalom course (also suitable for longboards) and open this to the public and encourage racers to try to encourage new participants. If racers want and crowds allow for it they can race duel for the crowds. Head to head grass roots no timer. Racers staying can set any course they like or run the Intermediate or pro slalom courses.
*Pros- Timer staff can go home after pro slalom. Begginners that watch can try slalom after.
*Cons Pro Slalom goes off without many crowds and during warmer part of the day.
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Choice #4 (Pros can leave earlier still)
Pro slalom 10:00
Intermediate slalom 2:30
Beginner slalom. 5:30
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Last year we were plagued by extremely high heat and timer failures and mishaps adding 3 hours of downtime. I don't expect super high temps or long timer mishaps this year. Tway's timer is pretty much perfect now. Last year we got 2 events off. Straight slalom and GS. With good weather I don't think we will have trouble getting two events off.
All the courses will be fun to run and challenging- except for the beginner slalom- which is really a longboard slalom. The hills pitch can not support a true GS or high speed 30mph+ longboard slalom.
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July 4th campers.
Forecast for the whole week is no rain partly cloudy hits in the low 80's.
Anyone wanting to camp who doesn't have a tent…or just doesn't want to bring one….
You can use this one I have... provided you set it up and also break it down and pack it back up neatly.
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You'll need your own ground cloth and sleeping bags. I'll drop it off to you on either Wednesday or Thursday at the race site. You can not camp Friday night at the race site
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Forecast for the whole week is no rain partly cloudy hits in the low 80's.
Anyone wanting to camp who doesn't have a tent…or just doesn't want to bring one….
You can use this one I have... provided you set it up and also break it down and pack it back up neatly.
You'll need your own ground cloth and sleeping bags. I'll drop it off to you on either Wednesday or Thursday at the race site. You can not camp Friday night at the race site
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JG, with all due respect last year was plagued by poor time management, freaky bracketing that took too long, and lack of basic race materials. Believe it or not I can rise to the occasion and race in just about any climate from 30 to 100 degrees and I'm sure I am not the only one. I love to race and compete. If you were around for the Kenny and GBJ incident you would have more insight as to what racers want. Basicly the top racers wanted a duel race and a challenging course. Now challenging should be makable by the top racers at the event at speed. Kenny, myself, gareth, ohm, vlad all really wanted to race a good race and were tired of standing around. I also think you underestimate the time it takes to run a good event.Multiple races looks good on paper and in theory but it makes for a long day and burn out. I know I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD but 'keep it simple' should be the mantra for events. Look at the friday night outlaw race at the gathering 30 some odd racers single lane,good timer .now you showed up late so you missed the first 2.5 hours but that little race lasted over 5 hours! Ask Noah how long the Mississippi race lasted. How bout Paris??? Things happen that take up time at races. Have one good race. Do it well, Racers will love it.
I would like to hear BRIAN PARSONS take on this as he's thrown more races than anyone on the east coast. I am a nobody but I have to speak my mind now so I don;t bitch later. TK
I would like to hear BRIAN PARSONS take on this as he's thrown more races than anyone on the east coast. I am a nobody but I have to speak my mind now so I don;t bitch later. TK
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Tk I hear you. I could certainly do a single event. Two events should not lead to skater burnout. I did not feel burned out in Paris and I did the Tight slalom, Special slalom and GS as well as dragged my bags to the airport up and down endless stairs. Heat killed us for the last two years in Boston.
We could try the idea of Having a tape switch in the middle of the course- the Pro section would be at the end. I would need two of Tway's systems to do this.
I am trying hard to avoid the hottest part of the day.
The Gathering outlaw race at The Park and Ride was at night in high wind. I don't think we will get killed by the elements this year.
If we go with option #3 I don't think anyone would be disappointed if we only got the intermediate race off.
We could consider that "The race" and anything else- just gravy. If the first race is delayed we don't run the next one. This is a grass roots race.
Certainly if we were behind schedule we could modify the qualifications to just take the top 8 and run with that for Pro TS. And if were very behind we could scrap the TS all together or if ALL the top 8 intermediate racers wanted- add a few cones on at the end of the intermediate course to enhance the difficulty. I'm trying to be flexible in the hopes of having more than just one course to run.
hopefully it can run like this.
Events:
Intermediate Slalom 10 - 2:30pm
Professional Tight Slalom 2:30 - 5:30pm
Beginner + Longboard Slalom 5:30- 8pm
The last event is basically just an open course with grass roots rules. If we have new people willing to man the timers then perhaps we will do timing otherwise its just head to head grass roots racing for the beginner slalom and longboard slalom. No stress.
My hopes are for good weather- keeping cool, and a good barbeque fireworks and some interesting courses. Also the now traditional chinese food dinner afterewards.
Saturday is Ohara's race 6-9pm.
Sunday we could try our hand at racing at the Old slalom course on Memorial Drive. The road will be shut down just like Storrow Drive (Memorial Drive is the parallel drive across the river from Storrow Drive.)
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We could try the idea of Having a tape switch in the middle of the course- the Pro section would be at the end. I would need two of Tway's systems to do this.
I am trying hard to avoid the hottest part of the day.
The Gathering outlaw race at The Park and Ride was at night in high wind. I don't think we will get killed by the elements this year.
If we go with option #3 I don't think anyone would be disappointed if we only got the intermediate race off.
We could consider that "The race" and anything else- just gravy. If the first race is delayed we don't run the next one. This is a grass roots race.
Certainly if we were behind schedule we could modify the qualifications to just take the top 8 and run with that for Pro TS. And if were very behind we could scrap the TS all together or if ALL the top 8 intermediate racers wanted- add a few cones on at the end of the intermediate course to enhance the difficulty. I'm trying to be flexible in the hopes of having more than just one course to run.
hopefully it can run like this.
Events:
Intermediate Slalom 10 - 2:30pm
Professional Tight Slalom 2:30 - 5:30pm
Beginner + Longboard Slalom 5:30- 8pm
The last event is basically just an open course with grass roots rules. If we have new people willing to man the timers then perhaps we will do timing otherwise its just head to head grass roots racing for the beginner slalom and longboard slalom. No stress.
My hopes are for good weather- keeping cool, and a good barbeque fireworks and some interesting courses. Also the now traditional chinese food dinner afterewards.
Saturday is Ohara's race 6-9pm.
Sunday we could try our hand at racing at the Old slalom course on Memorial Drive. The road will be shut down just like Storrow Drive (Memorial Drive is the parallel drive across the river from Storrow Drive.)
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