THE VENUE IS QUEERED

Joyce Wheldrake · Post by **Joyce Wheldrake** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:49 pm

This topic will be about places you did not like to race at.
Mine is Kipphut, Hannover Slalom World Cup 2007. There were dozens of mouthy children all over the road, especially when the race and practices were going on. In my mind it was too dangerous.
What do you think?

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:50 pm

Hannover 2007 had a pretty nice crowd.

For me, anything on the flat is a bummer.

rmn

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:54 pm

joyce

bullshit

i really did not like hannover too much
but talking crap about that race years later really sucks

Rick Floyd · Post by **Rick Floyd** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:26 pm

Yeah, living in a country where one is fortunate enough, and has the good physical health and/or finances to be able go skateboard racing overseas with good friends and some of the coolest people on the planet really SUCKS!! I always have such a terrible time when I travel to go skateboard racing - it's just so....stressful.

* NOTE: see X's quote in signature below - read the article if you have time.

Lenny Poage · Post by **Lenny Poage** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:10 pm

Joyce Wheldrake wrote:This topic will be about places you did not like to race at.
Mine is Kipphut, Hannover Slalom World Cup 2007. There were dozens of mouthy children all over the road, especially when the race and practices were going on. In my mind it was too dangerous.
What do you think?

Sounds like some demos we've done around these parts. It can be a bummer, but the bottom line is it's still more fun than a lot of other things I could've done that day. It's all part of the game.

Chris Barker · Post by **Chris Barker** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:06 pm

Joyce Wheldrake wrote:There were dozens of mouthy children all over the road, especially when the race and practices were going on.

Joyce, what kind of spectators do you prefer at races? Kids are cool all over the world!

The spectators in Hannover, especially the children, were fantastic. For the GS, I got a rush every time I entered the lower section because they were cheering like it was an Olympic skiiing event in their small village.

Then as you went around the curve after the finish line, there were always 4-5 kids wanting to give you a hand slap. Then a few more wanting autographs after every run.

I can't ever remember signing so many shirts for kids. The 1st day of the contest, this kid was out there early in the morning to greet me with this cool home-made banner.

He bugged me all weekend for my "hand shoes" (my old sweaty skate gloves). He probably still has them in his room...

Hannover 2007 Rocked!!!

Chris Favero · Post by **Chris Favero** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:06 am

awesome photo

Joe Iacovelli · Post by **Joe Iacovelli** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:23 am

Cbark,

That's freakin beautiful.

Hope you nailed his mom!

Mike Cividino · Post by **Mike Cividino** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:10 am

Joe Iacovelli wrote:Cbark,

That's freakin beautiful.

Hope you nailed his mom!

why do you think cbark is babysitting in this photo...his mom was already busy...

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:31 am

Mike Cividino wrote:
Joe Iacovelli wrote:Cbark,

That's freakin beautiful.

Hope you nailed his mom!
why do you think cbark is babysitting in this photo...his mom was already busy...

ROFL!!!

rmn

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:46 pm

HAHAHA! Awesome pic and banner though!

Cat Young · Post by **Cat Young** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:14 am

OMG!!!! I just saw this!
BarkBark..... that's an awesome story & I love the picture.
I always knew you were a rock star, but this just proves it!

See ya soon in COSSVILLE!

Joyce Wheldrake · Post by **Joyce Wheldrake** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:29 pm

This was in response to Joe I practically accusing me of queering the venue of Hood River, when I hit a car. I was just playing with words, and came up with this.
Seeing the teenagers in USA, I see they are very nice and well behaved. It makes me hopeful for a better future. Canada also, kids not rude at all. I wont care what they are as long as they are not in the road, on the course, helping themselves.
I love Detelef, and appreciate the effort he has put into races. This one did not work for me.
I now appreciate all the work that goes into a race, and thank you all for your input. Not too many races no one liked. WOW.

Joe Iacovelli · Post by **Joe Iacovelli** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:21 pm

Joyce! Please don't misquote me. What i did say is that I think it may be irresponsible for someone running a race to allow a racers who's skill level is sub-par to participate. And that them, getting seriously hurt would have braod reaching ramifications.

You ran into a PARKED CAR. Right? It wasn't moving, correct? Thank God you were not hurt, but if you were, for the sake of arguement, maimed, paralyzed or otherwise seriously hurt. I'm wagering that it would jeopardize the future of racing in Hood River ever again.

You either have big giant balls or no brains, but I fear that as the gnar factor increases in our sport, you or someone else is not going to be seriously hurt.

You've also ignored my point about gross misconduct. That someone who freely commits crimes, or otherwise embarasses our sport should be sanctioned. Anything you wanna fess up to there?

Be forewarned, if you come to one of my races and I feel after watching you pratctice that you can not safely make your way down the hill, I will not permit you on the ramp.

Final note - This will be my 9th season organizing races. I am entirely intollerent of you or anyone else's "constructive" (negative) comments until you run a race. When is your race again?

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:46 pm

joe...

thank you for your open words

honestly

you just said something others don't dare to say

and you know what?
you did the absolutely right thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave Gale · Post by **Dave Gale** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:34 pm

Nice Chris... great tale!

Chris Barker · Post by **Chris Barker** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:30 pm

Kidz Rule... Even the Germans love stickers... No brats, just polite little munchkins...

Joyce Wheldrake · Post by **Joyce Wheldrake** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:16 pm

Glad I went to Hannover to participate in the contest and did not kill myself on any of the children running in the streets during the practice. There was excellent hotel lounge action all weekend, great conversations and people. Glad I did not go in the GS. Its really hard to blow into a town and then be expected to go in a race where you really dont know the road, everything is sketchy. I was made to feel like i didnt deserve the prize I received for being 3rd place out of 3 because I didnt go in the GS, they gave it to me anyways. Where were the other women in Europe to beat me?
In Hood River the car I hit was moving, that was a reversing action by the car, one second it was at the curb, the next it was in front of me.
Trash me all day guys. Glad to have had that experience.

Joe Iacovelli · Post by **Joe Iacovelli** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:56 pm

Joyce,

It's not about trashing you. It's about keeping you safe.

You went to a race. You didn't feel safe. You didn't run. That is exactly what I am talking about.

I'm happy to use another example. If the kid who snapped his leg at Urban Waves showed up, or anyone I had never met. They would get the same treatment. A conversation about their skills, experience, equipment, and an eye on them in practice.

I did it to Bordy, to Justin Collins, and to any new guy that shows up at a race I'm involved with. Perhaps others feel differently. That if you sign the waiver and have $100, they are glad to take it. I don't know.

Thankfully our sport is growing, but with growth comes responsibility. You know they probably don't have this issue in tennis, but I bet I can't just show up at the X Games and go off the big jump ramp.

I appologize for confusing the issue with the rest of the stuff. I think as stewards of the sport, that we all are responsible for moving it forward and that includes running or helping to run a race. There is a lot of jobs out there to be shared. It doesn't include starting a post for people to complain about races. Thankfully the replies here have been of a more positive sort.

Consider if it was you that spent your own money, invited guests to your home, tried to show them a good time while ignoring your job and family. And then people got on the internet and picked it apart. Doesn't really make you want to do it again, does it?

I think that sums it up. Anything else you may feel free to contact me directly.

thanks and skate safe,

Joe

Joyce Wheldrake · Post by **Joyce Wheldrake** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:11 pm

Sorry Gentlemen, Joe, Donald, Chris, Germany, ISSA. From the point of view of a racer who travels, you see things differently. I do not understand how much work it is to put on a race, because we have not had one here. I have known for years I am not cut out for promotions, but with a group. It was not about race promoters but about the road. None of the race locations were bad, it seems, if this were a poll then it would be absolute. There is nothing Queered About Any Locations.!
I apologize for Toronto not having a race yet, so we can work too. It has been difficult to find a location for nice race. All the locations we like are secured. We dont want to bring our friends to a bad spot.
Good Enough
p.s. joe, i was thinking about going to the farm maybe and Antrim for sure. Will choke on anything unsuitable. See you and your son at The Worlds.

Karl Floitgraf · Post by **Karl Floitgraf** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:17 pm

Joyce you have to contribute something before you can have an opinion. Go start a team that helps young girls get to races or something and we might be all ears to listen to your opinions.

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:49 pm

Karl Floitgraf wrote:Joyce you have to contribute something before you can have an opinion. Go start a team that helps young girls get to races or something and we might be all ears to listen to your opinions.

Well, that's utter belligerent nonsense.

Joyce travels, pays her own way, pays her registration fee, buys her own equipment and supports her own racing. I doubt her parents pay for anything.

Her opinion on racing, racers and races is just as welcome as anyone else registered on this website.

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:32 pm

so is karls oppinion,wesley,also yours

but coming back to what karl said,he has a point there,don't you think so?

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:56 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:so is karls oppinion,wesley,also yours

but coming back to what karl said,he has a point there,don't you think so?

No. His point is someone has to do what he considers worthy before they can offer an opinion.

There's lots of racers who support this sport the best they can. They race, they travel, they buy GOGs and they enjoy themselves. When the race is over they are just as free to assess, praise or criticize an event as anyone else who does the same thing. Karl's criticism was not agreeing or disagreeing but just criticizing it being said because he's decided someone hasn't met the qualification he's decided are needed to have an opinion. That's baloney.

Cat Young · Post by **Cat Young** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:35 am

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Karl Floitgraf · Post by **Karl Floitgraf** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:00 am

I think I should briefly clarify, I don't mean you don't have a right to an opinion, just that we should show respect to the people working hard to make this sport possible.

Wes, I'm calling you out. I will learn to ride mod parallel stance and let's race. Next contest we're both at? It'll be more fun and there's no sense typing too much anyway.

Jeff Goad · Post by **Jeff Goad** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:00 pm

somethings never change

Wesley Tucker · Post by **Wesley Tucker** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:25 pm

Yo ma se po.

Join the ISSA 25 cone series. One cyber race every second month!

Regular sessions allow newbies to join our community and discover slalom racing.

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