[2007] European Slalom Skateboard Championships: 8 & 9 s

Pierre Samray · Post by **Pierre Samray** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:17 am

Thanks to you we have an english version now Guillaume.

Happy to see Pelle and his incredible helmet in Grenoble!

Who are coming from Sweden?

Stefano Bellingeri · Post by **Stefano Bellingeri** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:09 am

Dear all,
I just wonder why if you look at the world ranking page, on the right side of it inside the menu of the coming event (which displays races vs cones and dates) it does not appear the europchampionship info. Obviously the main status remains, right?
Anyway, have a nice vacation and CU there.
Cheers,
Stefano

Pelle Gustafsson · Post by **Pelle Gustafsson** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:27 pm

Pierre Samray wrote:Thanks to you we have an english version now Guillaume.

Happy to see Pelle and his incredible helmet in Grenoble!

Who are coming from Sweden?

Antonio Saluena
Hadestrand Viktor
Hadestrand Viking
Hadestrand Mikael
Thiel Johan
theresa lantz
maby evan moore so dont piss in your pants when Team sweden run over you all

Hans Koraeus · Post by **Hans Koraeus** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:46 am

Sorry Stefano,

I have not enough time to keep everything up to date as I would like. I have now added the European Championships in the "coming events" list at www.slalomranking.com

Some have shown an interest in doing some small articles with text/pictures/interviews from events so I try to prepare the ranking site for this right now.

The ranking site is looking for calendar administrators. Both for Europe and US.

Stefano Bellingeri · Post by **Stefano Bellingeri** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:48 am

No problem at all. I can imagine that keeping all updated it is nearly impossible. So keep it going but do not become slave of it. Thanks for your effort.
CU in Grenoble,
Stefano

Pierre Samray · Post by **Pierre Samray** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:18 am

Hello all. There is actualy 40 racers who have already register. Seems it will be a great contest. Organisation expect a lot of young from different country (Italia, Swiss, sweden,Germany, France) It's important now to think about the future of our sport. Bring all the boys and girl who practice with you and let them having fun here.

For all those who project to come, don't forget to add your name here.
http://desaxe-skateslalom.com/news/inde ... d_news=170

See you in Grenoble.

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:51 pm

I think a skatepark will be installed on the site (600 m2)
For those who'd like to skate around there's an open concrete bowl in Grenoble
<IMG SRC="http://www.sk8-world.com/spots/grenoble1.jpg">

and the Alpexo skatepark:
<IMG SRC="http://www.sk8-world.com/spots/grenoble4.jpg">

and the inddor skatepark seems quite good:
<img src="http://skateparkgrenoble.free.fr/media/ ... ARKgre.jpg">
http://skateparkgrenoble.free.fr (but check the opening period... and probably the skatepark modules of the event will come from there???)

you can also bring your downhill boards, these is a good area for that!

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:16 pm

Vincent Berruchon wrote: you can also bring your downhill boards, these is a good area for that!

Okay, who's gonna be the shuttle driver? After all that flatland stuff I'll need some highspeed!

Cu on Col d'Izoard!

rmn

Dominik Kowalski · Post by **Dominik Kowalski** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:53 pm

I'm with you Ramon!!! Let's make the best out of it. (Which almost means for me to skip the flat surface and ride some park, street and going downhill instead! Yep!)

check your pm bitch!

Pierre Samray · Post by **Pierre Samray** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:16 pm

See you in Izoard guy. Just spectator unfortunatlly (longs months before skateboarding again

)

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:50 pm

Izoard was rad! Slalom goes definitely DH! *biggrin*

Seb told me after I passed him on the finish line that I should stop DH and go back to slalom again...

cu in Grenoble....!

rmn

Martin Drayton · Post by **Martin Drayton** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:59 am

Looking forward to seeing lots of old friends again and making some new ones, its 3 years since I raced in Europe! Can't believe there are so many people I'll be racing whose dates of birth are over 25 years away from mine!!!!
Safe journeys everyone, Grenoble is a cool city, it'll be fun!

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:37 pm

Yes Martin, I'll be happy to see you again!

I don't know if you looked at the road-book and schedule (including a lot of indications on the spots, party and hotels).
but don't forget your boardshort and your towel for the saturday night party, they have a swimming pool!!!

The weather forecast is good, so we can really expect a great week-end in Grenoble!

Claude Regnier · Post by **Claude Regnier** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:24 pm

I wanted to wish everyone Good Luck at the event. I know there was a lot of effort put into this event wish you all the best.

I'm sorry I can't make it even these last minute desires can't help me now. Looking forward to seeing so many of you in a few weeks in North Carolina.

It would have been a bonus for me to be someone born in the 50's on the registration as we seem to have every other term covered, LOL.

trish erickson · Post by **trish erickson** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:30 pm

Hey Martin,

Greetings from Utah! Just wanted to wish you good luck this weekend! Have fun.

Trish

Cat Young · Post by **Cat Young** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:45 am

Hey Trish--- let's get our passports together & start racing in Europe!
How about it???

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:41 pm

For those who didn't have it yet
here's the Grenoble Road book in english (useful informations, about locations of spots, party and hotels)
http://static.riderz.net/files/divers20 ... OOK_EN.doc
in french:
http://static.riderz.net/files/divers20 ... OOK_FR.doc

The presentation of the event (french):
http://static.riderz.net/files/divers2007/Programme.pdf

Some colleagues ever said me that they have seen some spots on TV (it was on Eurosport, but Extreme Channel is a partner too).

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:33 pm

It appears to be a bit confusing since there seem to be some contradictions in the course line-up if we compare what was discussed one or two months ago and what has been published recently (=today).

On the ISSA Sanction Document it says:

Special & Tight: Quals, 2 runs each, then top 16 pro, top 16 am, top 8 women, top 8 juniors.
Giant: Two runs each, best run counts.

On the "Road Book" it is only mentioned that it's gonna be Special Slalom on Saturday and Cyber Slalom on Sunday. No Tight/Straight Slalom is mentioned.

In the Presentation Brochure they list (translated from French):

Cyber Slalom:
- free chrono trials
- 40 cones, cone distance 1.80m

Special Slalom Pro
- international & national compeditors
- Junior trials (?!)
- 40 cones, cone distance 1.70m

Giant Slalom
- 40 cones, offset; cone distance 2.50m-10m

So my my Questions:

- Did you abandon the Tight/Straight Slalom completely and why is there a Cyber Slalom Challenge?
- What do I have to expect for the Special Slalom?

According to the Straight Slalom issue discussed earlier in this topic:

ISSA wrote:"2.3 Each course shall consist of a series of cones placed in a straight line. The distance between cones shall be 1.7 m (measured from center to center)."

Pierre Samray wrote:Well if ISSA write 1m70. Let's be ok for 1m70.

I guess everyone has been practising for the European Championship, right?
So did I.
I practised 1.70m Straight Slalom on a flat surface. I even put the focus of training on 1.70 Straight Slalom - it's what we've been doing for the last couple of weeks just to be prepared for the Euros.
Can you see my point?

thanks for quick veryfication of the line-up.
rmn

David Rudnianski · Post by **David Rudnianski** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:39 pm

Ramón Königshausen wrote:I guess everyone has been practising for the European Championship, right?
So did I.
rmn

Nop... I have not skated slalom since hannovre, and I think I'am not the only one!!! so stop talk shiting and let's just have fun

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:50 pm

David Rudnianski wrote:
Ramón Königshausen wrote:I guess everyone has been practising for the European Championship, right?
So did I.
rmn

Nop... I have not skated slalom since hannovre, and I think I'am not the only one!!! so stop talk shiting and let's just have fun

Hey, do we want Slalom to grow or die? I am not talking shit man. Notice that there are people who do believe Slalom might become Olympic one day (I personally don't). But at least we could start somewhere and improve ourselves in scheduling. One day they say its like this, the other day they say it's the other way round. Do you think any big Sponsor likes that? Do you think an Olympic Comittee accepts that? This sport is my passion and I'd like it to grow and become better in different aspects. I don't know what you see in it. Sometimes it looks like it's some kind of kindergarten party. I had enough kindergarten parties when I was 5.

are we sportsmen or part of some international kindergarten meeting group?

rmn

Dominik Kowalski · Post by **Dominik Kowalski** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:10 pm

buuuurrrrb!!!! achemmmm...kuffff.....SPORTSMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

slalom has to go more into the extreme anyway, we can't do that on flat surface in any way, you know? SO let happen what has to happen, let it die, and we'll taking it back to life again....
ohhhh...back to life, back to reality...bla bla. But yeah, as far the shedule is concerning I would like to know what to expect, may it only because of not being confused all the time, it's stressing in general.

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:25 pm

Yeah you're right Dom, we ain't sportsmen, we're skaters. We can't deny there are people who practise and people who don't. I don't care about that. But I care about good organisation etc.

rmn

Antonio Saluena · Post by **Antonio Saluena** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:29 pm

I totally agree with you Ramon!
If we want this sport to grow we have to put some effort in to it!

Martin Drayton · Post by **Martin Drayton** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:22 pm

Pierre Samray wrote:What we call cyber slalom is the french cyber slalom.(40 cones with 1m80 spaces) But in fact it's just what some call tight slalom and the true name must be straight slalom.

Pierre said this back in June when someone queried that it said, and still says, Cyber Slalom on the website. I did ask for confirmation at the time that the Straight Slalom was 1.7m but as I didn't get a reply I assumed after the long conversation about cone distance that it would be 1.7m. I hope I'm right....

This is a EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS so any doubts should be cleared up pretty quickly, I'm sure everyone is really busy this close to the event, but this is pretty important, just my opinion

Vincent Berruchon · Post by **Vincent Berruchon** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:45 pm

cyber is straight!

Pierre never really confirmed anything about the staight (the post means nothing), even one week ago when I asked him...
but hey he said that the pro special will be tight and challenging so you should be happy.

I could do only two short flat sessions: one at 1m70 and the other one at 1m80 (before loosing one shoulder

)

You're lucky enough that you could have trained much more than most of us, sportman Ramon

Showing the sport in good conditions is a more important thing than details in the cone spacing and Grenoble is a great opportunity for that.
For what I've understood if we play the game on flat, next year we could have hills!

I suppose they decided to go Cyber Slalom so we'll have time for a NATION CUP!!!
Paris and Antibes prove it, a nation cup is a great show (fun for spectators and fun for racers).

Claude Regnier · Post by **Claude Regnier** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:49 pm

ISSA expects organizers to set courses that were agreed to in conversation on this link. The reason for the formation and re-emergence if ISSA in the first place was to help promotote and organize consistency, continuity and to inform the racers what to expect before booking travel.

I expect that silence by the organizers means they are staying away from any further discussion and will abide by what they had posted or stated previously on this forum concerning course setting.

Guillaume Saint-Criq · Post by **Guillaume Saint-Criq** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:23 pm

Training on both 180 and 170 is the solution isn't it?

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:27 pm

Okay Vincent,

this is a well reasoned answer from you. I can agree on your line up insofar I respect your sort of traditional cyber slalom challenge and agree that it is the same conditions for everyone. Still , and this is Claude's point, I think racers should know what they can expect especially when the race is held on a flat surface.
And it's good to have the aditional Nations Cup, that's what spectators like.

I hope the weekend will show high competition and good vibes.

gone practising special slalom (again finally)

Good sggestion Guillaume, but the point is that you get (or want to get) used to a certain cone distance to gain the most possible acceleration.

rmn

Martin Drayton · Post by **Martin Drayton** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:36 pm

Guillaume Saint-Criq wrote:Training on both 180 and 170 is the solution isn't it?

Why train both if you are not expecting to do both? I don't even know what 1.8m feels like to ride...

Guillaume Saint-Criq · Post by **Guillaume Saint-Criq** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:55 pm

Martin Drayton wrote:
Guillaume Saint-Criq wrote:Training on both 180 and 170 is the solution isn't it?

Why train both if you are not expecting to do both? I don't even know what 1.8m feels like to ride...

because both are fun and different
because maybe you will attend another race after Grenoble
because one train more your technical skills
because other train more your pumping skills
because a good slalomer is supposed to be fast and clean on both

hey, D-2 !

Martin Drayton · Post by **Martin Drayton** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:02 pm

Guillaume Saint-Criq wrote:
Martin Drayton wrote:
Guillaume Saint-Criq wrote:Training on both 180 and 170 is the solution isn't it?

Why train both if you are not expecting to do both? I don't even know what 1.8m feels like to ride...
because both are fun and different
because maybe you will attend another race after Grenoble
because one train more your technical skills
because other train more your pumping skills
because a good slalomer is supposed to be fast and clean on both

hey, D-2 !

Well, thanks for the advice and the coaching...but if I only have time to train for one distance (wife, child, job etc) then I'll train the distance the contest says it is! I don't normally do any straight courses because personally I find them boring.

Dominik Kowalski · Post by **Dominik Kowalski** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:05 pm

wow! Such a big activity right here.....hmmmm, better take advantage of this.

.....ok, by the time you read this Dominik has gone outside to practise.....muhahaaaa!!!!!

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric · Post by **HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:08 pm

I agree with Guillaume, as a "pro" you're supposed to adapt yourself to the race ?!

Is it really a BIG DEAL ?

Claude Regnier · Post by **Claude Regnier** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:13 pm

Yes Fred you are right! Beautiful baby by the way.

As an organizer you are suposed to post and stick with the proposed course setting, so the Pro racer can prepare to put on a professional, great show.

If you sold the other deck you could give the 50 euros to Ramon for me so he can bring it to me in noth Carolina.

Thanks and again Good Luck and try to have some fun, EH!

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric · Post by **HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:17 pm

OKAY !

I wish I could come, but I have to take care of my family !!!

Anyway, have fun this WE !!!

Sam Gordon · Post by **Sam Gordon** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:19 pm

Us Brits have enough difficulty adapting from this:

To this:

But we train regularly, and can sometimes end up doing a wiggly walk of curve frequency 1.7m.

Guillaume Saint-Criq · Post by **Guillaume Saint-Criq** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:19 pm

really sorry. I did not want my words seem to be "coaching" (i don't know you but I have respect) but only my point of view. For me it apply the same way for special courses.

And if I totally support the ISSA thing, I m not sure "non-flexible" rules are a good solution.
Racers should know what to expect, but organisers should have some "freedom" too

ok see you all this WE

Dom: we plan to skate tonight, but it's raining here

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric · Post by **HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:06 pm

As a pro who is not used to, I even saw Sam drinking some water...

training is the KEY !

Jani Soderhall · Post by **Jani Soderhall** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:01 pm

I called Philippe Galindo to find out about the disciplines and he confirmed that the disciplines are the same as in Paris: Tight, Special and Giant.
If there is time on Sunday there will be a Nations Cup.

The word cyber was used to describe straight = tight slalom. It did not mean that we're doing an official cyberslalom (which would have been the right place for it, but Philippe always wanted the parallel events - except for Giant).

Responsible for course setting is Pierre Samray, so he'll have the final word on the cone distances (of all discplines).

Once the race is on, I'll be in charge of the rules, disputes, etc. I'm not speaking this time, so I'll be available to take your discussions on everything except the course setting. I will try to oversee the race to be able to make any decisions as to disputes. The preliminary race committee also contains Pierre Samray and Jean Sebastien Dennebouy, so if we have to make an important decision the three of us will determine the outcome.

More news on the organization will be announced on site!

Philippe reports that the weather forecast is fine and that the town is covered with event posters and that the town is doing their job a 100% to get ready for the event.

Now it's up to us to run the show!

See you all very early on Saturday. As we can't have the giant course more than half the day, we'd better get started in time so that we can all get our runs in.

Travel safe!

/Jani

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:10 pm

I would like to ask one little question about formality:

If Tight Slalom equals Straight Slalom so why is it 1.80 on a flat surface and therefore equals Cyber Slalom!?

rmn

Stefano Bellingeri · Post by **Stefano Bellingeri** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:56 pm

Dear Ramon,
in my opinion you are fully right.
I practised 1.70 tight on flat because this was scheduled. It is my personal opinion that if you race pro you are able to race 1.70. otherwise you have just to change cathegory. Sorry for being strict, but the courses have to be technical at least for our cathegory because of the fact that there are TWO cathegories. This could be questionable, but until there will be two of them, there is no point. Pro means more difficulties.
CU there,
stef

Michel Dupont · Post by **Michel Dupont** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:04 am

Aint no pro, but ready for 1,70 anyway.

Marcus Seyffarth · Post by **Marcus Seyffarth** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:37 pm

Ramon you should have been at the Swedish Nationals last weekend, we ran 1.70 on a small hill. Everybody was happy with the course and even some of the 11(!) juniors made the 50 cones clean.

One of my funniest memories of "cyber-slalom" is from Antibes 2004. The "cyber" was 39 cones, had a startramp and was on a small decent. Basically nothing of the cyber except that it was almost straight and a slalomcourse... Thats what I call redefinition

Anyways I hope you have loads of fun and good luck to all!

Go Team Sweden!

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:05 pm

he only went to grenoble for the gs,he said he doesn't care about the flat stuff.
he took the title in gs
one man one word

congrats from the whole team

Ramón Königshausen · Post by **Ramón Königshausen** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:28 am

Donald Campbell wrote:
he only went to grenoble for the gs,he said he doesn't care about the flat stuff.
he took the title in gs
one man one word

congrats from the whole team

Except for that the GS wasn't a GS at all. Sad story. Congrats anyways. Read more about it tomorrow.

good night

rmn

Donald Campbell · Post by **Donald Campbell** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:54 am

hehehehe
i heard that already,ramon
but the rest of the contest was epic and had nocturnal showdowns right?
dom had a showdown from sat to sun night i heard ?

epic again

Michael Stride · Post by **Michael Stride** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:42 am

C'mon.

I want results!!!!!!

Peter Klang · Post by **Peter Klang** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:22 am

For michael Stride and everybody else.

Like I said at the Euros 2005. Look out for Janis Kuzmins. He won Straight and special

Janis is the overall European Champion 2007
2. Luca
3. Ramon
4. Strobel
5. Homer

Dominik went down in some form saturday night. Could of been, should of been???

I Could be wrong, I could be right.

Emrik Larsson · Post by **Emrik Larsson** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:08 am

where can u find complete results?

Jadranko Radovanovic · Post by **Jadranko Radovanovic** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:35 am

Here impressions from the stadium. Nice place with a lot of spectators on Sunday.

Hope to see some pics from the photographers....

J-Rad

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