[2007] Paris Slalom World Cup 2007, May 26-28, 2007

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Post by Hans Koraeus » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:30 pm

Am straight
Even for Pros 2m have been hard to make clean the past years. I think it is too tough for the AM's. Especially since most does not know how to set up their boards so it will just be too fast in the end. 2.20 is scary enough for most AM's.

Pro straight
1.80 for the Pro's will have cones spraying. Fortunatly most Pro's have mastered the technique of getting the front trucks to turn ridicously sharp and fast. And by this they can go fast and still control their speed, if they want. The problem is when competition day is there nobody want to think about holding back, and we have the cone spraying party.

Start
I agree with Jani that 2x penalty is not enough for start penalty. I think the solution is if you go too early you get a base penalty, for example like a cone 0.1 sec. Then on top of that you can add the 2 x "milliseconds before start" to punish more those who goes very early against those who just get a little bit too early. Ex: if you are 0.01 too early you get 0.10 + 2x0.01 = 0.12 penalty. This then gets the minimum "false start" penalty. If you are 0.08 too early you get 0.10 + 2x0.08 = 0.26 penalty. Best is of course random if you have a timer that can manage to really do neutral random starts.

Pro special
I was a lot responsible for last years special course for the Pros. It was technical and something you could not just race full speed from start. Neither could you keep your body in one place and just let the lower body stretch out take all the offset cones. You where forced to move the whole package (whole body) sideways. And with the hill just trying to pull you strongly straight down you had to fight hard against that. These are funny courses and a real challange for Pros but... on race day you can't set courses that are on the limit of your capacity. Beacuse racers don't have enough time to dial in the course. Race day will make it hard to hold back and you will go too fast and start spraying cones. It does not make the pros look good. And like last year when you where really forced to go slow in the start to make it through some tech sections in the beginning it did not look so good. Why are the Pros goins so slow? They don't seem so good? The audience can't judge the difficulty of the course.

I.e. yes set a challenging tech course. But not for Luca and Ramon, for the mid pack pros. Running a hard tech course at home over and over again is not the same as on race day where maybe you will only get 2 practice runs and then it is competition run.

Just my two pennys.

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Post by Hans Lucas » Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:47 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:flavio:
you have to put some trust into what experienced riders say
troca is fast.
we will build the ramps for this years event and these will add to the factor too.
visit the event,skate the course competitively and then you are able to give comments on the cone setting.
I agree totally; normally I would vote for 1.90m for amateurs, but I know Troca is very hard; I've been there soooo many vacations and was never able to finish the TS on 2m all the way to the end, even though I never used a starting ramp there. (I skate slalom since about 1980)
Also, experienced local AM riders should take into consideration that they have a big advantage; they have (sometimes) been able to skate Troca for years, as many hours/day as they want, unlike the foreigners.
At home I can make the 1,50m at full speed on an inclinement; still I know Troca might be too hard for me on 2m. But let's await the pre-contest trainings there and then decide.

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Post by Karl Floitgraf » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:58 pm

The less cone splatter the quicker the whole event runs: that is a very good thing, especially with this many people.
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Post by Donald Campbell » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:10 pm

at the last great western we had the tight course set the same way it is supposed to be at the troca this year.
fact is that the speed is a bit higher than the troca in the lower section of our hill.
we didn't face such big problems with cone splattering as some people might see it here.

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Post by Stefano Bellingeri » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:35 am

Dear all,
come'on, for pros is fine 1.80 for the tight (usually I run with the giant board on 2.00 m distance) and a special as last year. It was the best special course of the season.
It is my personal opinion that courses have to be technical for the pros. You should not be able to run "full throttle" all the course. Exactly as it happens on skiing competitions where you have to go 90% full speed but you have "delicates" gates as well.
I'm for really technical stuff.
CU there

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Post by Hans Lucas » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:14 am

Stefano Bellingeri wrote: you have to go 90% full speed but you have "delicates" gates as well.
"delicates"? What do you mean?

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Post by Donald Campbell » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:51 pm

maybe he's talking about his spelling which is delicate?
or about the old parisian tradition to place candy on some cones to please the riders?
who knows,only stefano maybe...

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Post by Hans Lucas » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:12 pm

Ah, maybe he means "very close" cones, which should be accessed in a delicate (slow) way.

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Post by Donald Campbell » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:07 pm

i think this whole thread turns out to be more or less delicate too,eh?

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Post by Vincent Berruchon » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:03 am

Image PSWC 2007 REGISTRATIONS OPEN

Please follow the instructions on the website
direct link: http://event.riderz.net/pswc/index.php? ... ns&lang=us

The maximum number of racers is set to 100 including 50 amateurs (increased to 60 if total racers < 100).
Pay to validate your registration and be sure to be part of this 5th birthday edition!

To pay with paypal:
Because of problem with our Paypal account (the worst customer service in the place!! but we)
The email adress has changed:
USE paiement.afd@free.fr ONLY
And please precise "Riderz PSWC 2007" in the comments / subject of the paypal payment!
because this address is not used only for PSWC registration.
Please, be careful give us all the informations to link your payment to your registration without long investigations.
So in the comments don't forget to add the racer(s) name(s), especially if the account is not the one of a racer.

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entry fee

Post by Steve Hinzen » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:46 am

I couldn't find any information about the entry fee. How much is it?

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Re: entry fee

Post by Vincent Berruchon » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:14 am

Steve Hinzen wrote:I couldn't find any information about the entry fee. How much is it?
Choose your "class" on the application form and you'll see the price at the end of the page.

For your information:
PRO Pack = 100€ including
- registration for the 3 days of race Straight, Special, Giant
- longskate contest (slide and challenges)
- 3 meals
- event collector tshirt
PRO MUST REGISTER WITH THE FULL PACK

AMs Pack =50€ including
- registration for the 3 days of race Straight, Special, Giant
- longskate contest (slide and challenges)
- 3 meals
- event collector tshirt

Amateurs and Womens can also register only for the races they want:
1 Discipline 20 Eur
2 Disciplines 35 Eur
3 Disciplines ou plus 45 Eur

It's probably not corrected on the website but slide contest only is 10€, and free if you register for at least one slalom race.
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Post by Guillaume Saint-Criq » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:17 am

Steve

entry fee informations are on the registration page

it is 100 EUR for Pro, 50 EUR for Am when you take the PACK:
this is for 3 disciplines, 3 meals and race tshirt


AM only can register without pack:
  • 20 EUR for 1 race
    35 EUR for 2 races
    45 EUR for 3 races

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Post by Donald Campbell » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:31 am

ok pack or no pack guillaume
uuuhhhhh you irritated me uuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Post by Peter Klang » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:11 pm

How much is a RACK? or a pack of racks?

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Post by Guillaume Saint-Criq » Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:12 pm

thanks for those who already paid their registrations.

Received payment are visible here :
http://event.riderz.net/pswc/index.php? ... mp&lang=us


Hey others, use Paypal, it will be time saved for the D day (but we know some countries can't use paypal)

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Post by Guillaume Saint-Criq » Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:14 pm

hu sorry for my LACK of english speaking :)

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Post by Peter Klang » Fri May 04, 2007 8:58 am

My beloved French fellow Europeans are making a choice, a vote for a new president.
Who are the candidates, I don’t really know there politics but I have notices Nicolas Sakozy looks a lot like Sylvester Stallone and Ségoléne Royal like a MILF.

Who are you voting for?

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Post by Donald Campbell » Fri May 04, 2007 8:59 am

we vote for the MILF HUNTER!

yehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Post by Jani Soderhall » Fri May 04, 2007 9:02 am

This is a skateboard forum. Keep your vote and comments to yourself unless it matters to slalom skateboarding.

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Post by Peter Klang » Fri May 04, 2007 10:00 am

BUT IT IS JANI, ONE OF THEM MIGHT GRANT A GS STREET IN PARIS, THE OTHER MIGHT NOT.

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Post by Hans Lucas » Fri May 04, 2007 10:19 am

Peter Klang wrote:BUT IT IS JANI, ONE OF THEM MIGHT GRANT A GS STREET IN PARIS, THE OTHER MIGHT NOT.

Sorry about the cap look.

See Poll (valid up until May 7; the day after the elections):
"Who should become the next president in France?"
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Post by Katii Campbell » Fri May 04, 2007 2:19 pm

Guillaume Saint-Criq wrote:thanks for those who already paid their registrations.

Received payment are visible here :
http://event.riderz.net/pswc/index.php? ... mp&lang=us


Hey others, use Paypal, it will be time saved for the D day (but we know some countries can't use paypal)

hey i registered and paid using paypal...the one i was told to and recieved and emial confirming ive paid and on this site is says ive registered but not paid...whats going on do i have to pay again or something?

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Post by Vincent Berruchon » Fri May 04, 2007 3:08 pm

Katii Campbell wrote: hey i registered and paid using paypal...the one i was told to and recieved and emial confirming ive paid and on this site is says ive registered but not paid...whats going on do i have to pay again or something?
Hi Katii, you can ask for this kind of things directly by email: pswc [AT] riderz [DOT] net
I don't think everybody here is interested by your problem, as they should really mind what we will vote ;) (but just know that mini-Stalone's friends don't want us to have a real giant in the Trocadero disctrict)

I remind everybody that the paypal payment should always precise in comments the name of the racer(s). If your parents, friends or company have paid, how the people managing payment can guess it's linked to your registration without your name included in the payment infos.

Katii, send us more precisions (especially the paypal account and date) by email or PM by I'm quite sure that they are wondering who is Lisa W. who didn't register.
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Post by Gustavs Gailitis » Sat May 05, 2007 12:21 pm

Hi! I will be first time to Paris Slalom World Cup. This time my father will not come to France so I will come alone. I would like to stay in some French slalomer family. I am 17 year old slalomer from Riga. At high school I am learning French so it could be a great possibility to improve my language skills. It would be fine to stay with someone who is planning to come to World Baltic Sea Cup in Jurmala.
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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Thu May 10, 2007 11:54 am

Its getting close! Almost time to start practice... I have a few questions;
It said when I paid the entry fee that there should be a prize purse in the pro class. Nice! How will it be divided? Does Luca get it all, or will Ramón get some as well? Is it from 1-3 or 1-5 or even 1-8?

Is it combined or is it in each race? If overall, will you use the strange "your best 2 results overall" calculation, or the more realistic "all races combined" overall calculation?

Have you made any deciscions about the lifting of wheels?

I really like that you put all the previous results on the PSWC homepage!

Thanks! /Marcus

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Post by Hans Lucas » Thu May 10, 2007 12:36 pm

Vince, have you made any decisions about the AM TS track?
1,90m / 2m / 2,10m / 2,20m?
I'm very curious!

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu May 10, 2007 1:27 pm

Hans Lucas wrote:Vince, have you made any decisions about the AM TS track?
1,90m / 2m / 2,10m / 2,20m?
I'm very curious!
Depends on what you mean with TS:

Staight Slalom
or
Special Slalom


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Post by Hans Lucas » Thu May 10, 2007 2:35 pm

Ramón Königshausen wrote: Depends on what you mean with TS:

Staight Slalom
or
Special Slalom

rmn
I'm interested in all kinds, but especially in TS (=Tight Slalom) as defined below, because it's easier to compare with existing training locations:

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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Thu May 10, 2007 3:11 pm

Vincent Berruchon wrote:Tight Slalom = should be called STRAIGHT
PRO:1m80 and AMs: 2m (cry NOW if you really think that many amateurs can't do it)

Special Slalom= We want it to be quite tight at least on a part of the course for pros. Amateur race could be what you call hybrid, but it's an AM special.
I think its pretty clear whats decided on that point.

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Post by Hans Lucas » Thu May 10, 2007 3:27 pm

Marcus Seyffarth wrote:
Vincent Berruchon wrote:Tight Slalom = should be called STRAIGHT
PRO:1m80 and AMs: 2m (cry NOW if you really think that many amateurs can't do it)

Special Slalom= We want it to be quite tight at least on a part of the course for pros. Amateur race could be what you call hybrid, but it's an AM special.
I think its pretty clear whats decided on that point.
Oh, OK, thanks; I missed that posting.
As far as I know, Dutch skaters usually do not use the terms Straight Slalom / Special Slalom because their abbreviations are both SS.
TS or HS are pretty clear, too.

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Post by HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric » Thu May 10, 2007 4:43 pm

Hum.... it was not THAT clear !!!

Straight slalom for ams has been painted a few days ago at 2.10m ( green spot fors those who will come earlier... )

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Post by Hans Lucas » Thu May 10, 2007 4:46 pm

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric wrote:Hum.... it was not THAT clear !!!

Straight slalom for ams has been painted a few days ago at 2.10m ( green spot fors those who will come earlier... )
Fred.
now you can train !
Great, thanks!
And I suppose the burned cars have been towed away....

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Thu May 10, 2007 5:13 pm

I hope I don't have to expect the pro's have been fooled too....

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Post by HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric » Thu May 10, 2007 5:25 pm

Ramón Königshausen wrote:I hope I don't have to expect the pro's have been fooled too....

rmn
Don't worry Rmn, we're about to paint the straight pro race at 1.80m !
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Post by Donald Campbell » Thu May 10, 2007 7:59 pm

makes me wonder why we practice 1,80m on a hill the last weeks.so it's time to switch to a 34"deck again? bummer

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Post by HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric » Thu May 10, 2007 8:04 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:makes me wonder why we practice 1,80m on a hill the last weeks.so it's time to switch to a 34"deck again? bummer
it's time to move PRO Don.... he he he...
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Post by Donald Campbell » Thu May 10, 2007 8:18 pm

I'LL HAVE MY REVENGE
the ramps we build for paris will be 30 cms high
there you go
hahahahaha

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Post by Peter Klang » Fri May 11, 2007 11:21 am

How tight is the BS course gonna be this year?

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Post by Vincent Berruchon » Fri May 11, 2007 11:24 am

I've missed a few questions from Marcus

so about prize money: this year we'll reward skaters only with combined overall results, probably the 8th first racers (or 10?).
Minimum total amount is 3000€.

We also have a lot of good stuff for AMs!

I'm still waiting for a real meeting about results and calculation with people involved, but I think it should be based on the three disciplines and for what I know it was like that last year.

Wheels lifting: no clear rule exists, what is sure is that we won't have judges to look only at that. It will also depend what we can use at the start (light beam or switch) but it's part of the game for years, so is it a real problem? (it's not the topic to discuss about that, thanks)

We are near of 50 AMs racers, remember that only a payment will confirm your registration.
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Post by Hans Lucas » Fri May 11, 2007 11:25 am

Donald Campbell wrote:I'LL HAVE MY REVENGE
the ramps we build for paris will be 30 cms high
there you go
hahahahaha
Why not a "Le Mans" start? Skaters start (2 by 2) with a run up the hill ("to explore the track") then grab their boards and make the run.
Or they run up the hill WITH their boards; in that case a 34" deck is a disadvantage.... ;)

"BS"? meaning "Big Slalom" / GS?

(or what about a biathlon / triathlon, like swimming, slalom skating, biking? ;) )
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Post by Marcus Seyffarth » Fri May 11, 2007 1:11 pm

Peter Klang wrote:How tight is the BS course gonna be this year?
Thats the only discipline you've practiced lately, isn't it? ;-) I think you and Don could have a pretty tight race in the BS course :D

In fact I put 10€ on Peter winning the BS, and another 10€ on Fabian Björnstjerna taking the overall AM by far. In fact I put another 10€ on that more than 5 AMs will complain about Fabian not running PRO. Any takers?

Thanks for the answers Vinz!

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Fri May 11, 2007 6:25 pm

So BS means Boy Scouts?

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Post by Donald Campbell » Fri May 11, 2007 10:12 pm

no no no ramon
bs is big slalom
stop fooling around here
big slalom is done on boards that are approved by santa claus.
85 mm wheels
a short board no longer than 85,345cms
104,798 mm stainless steel trucks

the races are held on slippery surfaces,gymnastic halls are preferred
since you can't really pump on that ground they went for the very big wheels

that fabian guy he beat you recently marcus?
and he's racing am?
ok....
i even know the color of his boxer shorts,but i won't spill all the secrets
my secret agent man from sweden told me


now...where's my ten euros marcus?


gimme

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Post by Vincent Berruchon » Sat May 12, 2007 4:38 pm

HUYNH BACH SAC Frédéric wrote:Hum.... it was not THAT clear !!!

Straight slalom for ams has been painted a few days ago at 2.10m ( green spot fors those who will come earlier... )

Fred.

now you can train !
Yes AM Straight Slalom is finally 2m10 because we had many people worrying it would be too hard.
People who want more challenge should go PRO!
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Post by Donald Campbell » Mon May 14, 2007 9:18 am

hey guys
uncle donny needs some answers

#1 i need the t-shirt sizes in quantitites
#2 how far a way is the first cone from the starting ramps?i need to know that really fast.since i'm building the ramps with steve's help this is an interesting aspect to the actual height of the ramps.
#3if you pay for and extra hanger(roughly 100 euros) we'll also bring the big ramp for the gs to paris.
you know that baby from the last gog race.this could be some fun then.
what do you think?
wanna crank the gs up?
we got what you need for that.
everybody will love that.it's good for the spectators,it gives a fast entry into the gs course and it makes the race so much more spectacular.

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Post by Flavio Badenes » Mon May 14, 2007 2:34 pm

Donald Campbell wrote:hey guys
uncle donny needs some answers

#1 i need the t-shirt sizes in quantitites
#2 how far a way is the first cone from the starting ramps?i need to know that really fast.since i'm building the ramps with steve's help this is an interesting aspect to the actual height of the ramps.
#3if you pay for and extra hanger(roughly 100 euros) we'll also bring the big ramp for the gs to paris.
you know that baby from the last gog race.this could be some fun then.
what do you think?
wanna crank the gs up?
we got what you need for that.
everybody will love that.it's good for the spectators,it gives a fast entry into the gs course and it makes the race so much more spectacular.
Please lets have the big ramp!! Even if that means me blowing all the gates on the way down the course! but nothing can beat don's "ejector effect" :-)

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Post by Charles_Thubert » Tue May 15, 2007 2:26 pm

The Big ramp is too BIG for Trocadero Giant.

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Tue May 15, 2007 2:52 pm

Charles_Thubert wrote:The Big ramp is too BIG for Trocadero Giant.
That's contradictory: The Trocadéro slope is that short that you want to get the speed for GS from the beginning. A smaller ramp gives you less speed one a slope that's already almost too short for GS.

Anyway, we're hoping for Nicolas to grant a road for GS!

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