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Post by Vlad Popov » Wed May 28, 2003 2:12 pm

I hate you.

Not that there is anything wrong with THAT. :smile:

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John, this one agancy made us learn 6 languages and watch all your shows. They called it the "Cultural Programme". Bastards.
I think I know all of Seinfeld. By heart.
Do you know how hard is it to live with all this junk in your head? Do you?

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Post by Guest » Wed May 28, 2003 2:23 pm

My wife asked me when I told her there were pictures from Paris up...."How cute are the girl(s) in the picture with Gilmour...THIS TIME!"

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Post by Vlad Popov » Wed May 28, 2003 2:29 pm

John!

We forgot to take “overly exaggerating” racing pictures in Paris! We’ll have to go back for that.

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Post by Steve Prue » Wed May 28, 2003 2:38 pm

gotta chime in here as well - my wife didn't care about the tower, the racing, or the skating pictures...

she wanted to know what Gilmour and Vlad were wearing. (loved the "disco's not dead, just resting" shirt)

and JG didn't let us down...vlad - you need to huddle with Dalv and get back in the game with the outfits.

seriously,
steve

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Post by Chris Eggers » Wed May 28, 2003 2:43 pm

There was so much hate in the city of love on this weekend it was unbelievable........

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Post by John Gilmour » Thu May 29, 2003 2:51 pm

Yes I agree- you even saw people within their own teams at each others throats. Bruce Brewington and I got into a huge fight over the last piece of chocolate soffle'. SWAT teams were called in to control the situation.

Later Farid the photographer had to talk Kenny and I down from jumping off the water cannons at the Trocadero to our death in what would appear to be a tragic murder suicide.

Riots broke out over each skater trying to wrestle the Trophies out of each others hands- people were spitting everywhere.

Other than the running of the Bulls in Spain there is more chaos at a slalom contest than anywhere else.

It is now clear that each slalomer should be kept in an individual cage until his name is called for his run.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Thu May 29, 2003 6:09 pm

Steve, a Euro outfit is no good in Europe. I went for the Russian look.

Back and white seems to be a modern combo. Me and Gilmour…we’re so ahead of time…

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Post by George Gould » Thu May 29, 2003 6:54 pm

Hey there Henry, since you posted I feel I have give post my side. Although I have been called one of Eric Groff’s minions, he can take care of himself.

When I rediscovered slalom in 2001, it was through the NCDSA. I have been a long time skater. I couldn’t believe what I read and was blown away by the posts. I never thought the forum was for kids and it was pretty brutal. I found myself wanting to race and not posting until I raced at La Costa 2001. Scroll back years and check out the arguments on cone sizing, boards, starts, criddling etc., ad nauseam. Was needed for the growth of slalom? Has it hurt or helped? For whatever reason if you slalom and post, a person better be thick skinned. Hugh R helped explain a lot of it to me, Eric Groff was pretty helpful too. From what I understand they don’t even speak to one another now. But, even “back then” and all the way back to the 70's there are guys that have gotten into it with each other about everything. In skateboarding’s history (when wheels were 30mm) I had to search hard and buy what I could, just to keep skating the way I wanted, 70's style carving and ditches mostly. I am over 40 and everyone I skated with quit. When I am at a race, and up on the ramps grinning, I am having a blast, but I also really want to win. It is such a stoke to race with skaters of all ages and to see who survived and can still skate. I hope that slalom does grow and survive, and eventually pays some of the athletes what they are worth. I also hope it never loses it’s individuality. For that reason I like my open class status and the fact that I pay for my equipment. I write what I want and what works for me. Henry, you have been posting and reading long enough to see others change their minds midstream according to their sponsor.

Remember people know that Eric Groff started your Big Ick fund. I know he GAVE you a Herr Vaughnster. Do you know how hard I tried to get one of those in 2001? Watch Mollica’s 2002 Worlds video, Steve Olson wrecks after the finish in one of his heats, he asks about his board as soon as he gets up. I was there. Why? Because there weren’t that many Herr Vaughnster boards!
Just a few short years ago equipment was harder to come by. People actually waited weeks for Indy 101's and Trackers were still in the future. A few pros had offsets. As for bearings, I would say be your own man and don’t let anyone tell you what to ride. Pleasure Tool ceramics seem to be doing pretty well. We both believe in Ick Sticks, you are tall and thin, I am pretty thick, physicall and mentally :smile: I know our boards are set up differently. Ride what works for you.

I am happy there is good equipment. I am glad new racers are coming to race. I think that people can buy stuff and because they are athletic they do well, they get to spout off without knowledge of history. I am not directing this towards you. But, this does anger some old time skaters. I have seen Dennis Shufeldt pick up trash (and that is how much he loves skateboarding and slalom!), Is this right? To me it is the equivalent of having Mario Andretti sweep before Indy or Hank Aarron clean up before little league. If people don’t want to show up at a race because of Eric Groff that is too bad, I will say there are way bigger assholes racing than him. Ego trips and dynamics of the Psych-out are a very big part of racing. I don’t really like it, but that is the way it is in every competitive sport. It is because we are so small and have direct contact that people get into it all the time. If you or anyone else wants to race, show up and have a good time. The open class is not like the pro class, although we have our jerks too. Most of us will cheer competitors, are happy for good clean and safe runs, share equipment and basically be stoked. Later.

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Post by Henry Julier » Thu May 29, 2003 7:13 pm

I like your post George.

I find myself in a conundrum every day- I like Eric Groff as a person, he is fun to skate with, his son is really cool, and Eric Groff has been generous to me in the ways you pointed out. I love that Herr Vaughnster, It has seen a lot of riding time by various individuals and currently my sister is riding it alot, and she is getting into slalom. I love my Big ICK, and ride it more than my little one. I love going to California and slaloming.
But then, Eric Groff will start bashing my friends and "left coasters" etc etc... its hard for me not to get pissed off. How can I feel grateful towards someone who insults my friends via the web and email?
I still like the guy, when I can ignore his posts that is.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Thu May 29, 2003 7:16 pm

Have you ever looked at the Herr Vaughnster as a bribe?

Online Pest Control.

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Post by George Gould » Thu May 29, 2003 7:32 pm

My thought is let it go. Eric Groff is banned from here, it is over. He cannot defend himself or jump on anyone. Email him. when things are aired publicly that is when anyone can jump in. I wrote another page but deleted it as it was pretty negative and I am trying to be positive. Positve things will outweigh the negative things and after a while the memories fade. some ego is ok, I mean let's face it, that is why there is racing. although with slalom the biggest race is within yourself. I am so sorry I will miss Breckenridge, my surgery has not healed as quickly as i wanted and I am just getting to the point where I can do 25 situps. Henry, I was looking forward to racing you. Skate safe.

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Post by John Gilmour » Fri May 30, 2003 3:32 am

Henry San- young weedhopper,

I know this is the smack talking part of the forum- but I think the open class racers- And the pros- are some of the best people I have met in my life. Realistically would you rather be stuck on a desert island with some average Joe or with a racer that you have minor differences with? I bet you'd pick the racer everytime.

If this sport was really full of jerks- I would pretty much leave- I've got other skills to hone where they will be appreciated. I have done other sports where egos get ridiculously inflated- the local snowboard pro at a rinky dink 1000 vertical foot mountain with the huge ego comes to mind- then the pros come visiting and -POP!- goes the ego.

People in general can be difficult- just ask anyone about me...I'm probably the contest organizers worst nightmare- mostly because I want to win and don't pay as much attention to the program as I should. As a racer if I slow up the show in attempts to catch my breath to enhance my chance of winning- ...things might happen. Hey- it's racing.

But in every racer there is something to be learned. Even if a racer does EVERYTHING wrong- you can at least learn from THEIR mistakes.

I'm thankful that there is a racing scene and I try to drop in on as many racing scenes as I can to get things moving.

What if I never met Ritchie Carasco, Steve Evans, Charlie Ransom, Steve Olson, Dave Hackett, Duane Peters, Henry Hester, Gary Fuitt, Chris Chaput, Ed Economy ? Those guys that have been competeing in the Magazines since the 70's. Well my life wouldn't be as much fun....and that isn't counting all the cooler newer racers I met. This smack talking forum was created so there is a place where you can readily tell straight talking from smack talking.

So take all the online stuff with a grain of salt and if you get frustrated- instead of getting annoyed just stop reading and instead-
1. Introduce a new skater to slalom
2. train him to be competition for yourself

and you'll be happy having someone to race with who might actually beat you. You'll soon forget about any online frustrations because you'll have real life frustration with you.

Nothing makes the sport more fun than having someone to race with who is within .02 seconds of your time all the time. Online frustration is nothing compared to that.


Games are the most fun just in the instant before you lose....and in the ocassional times that you win- just ask the video gaming industry.

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Post by Rick Stanziale » Fri May 30, 2003 1:28 pm

<a href="http://slalomskateboarder.com/phpBB/bb_ ... ">keyboard results</a>

Vlad has a commanding lead, while Eric Groff has fallen out of the top 10 since being banned.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Fri May 30, 2003 7:26 pm

This is my 600th post. Can't wait for 666th.

Speaking of Sixes...You're only 4 shy of your 66th. Make sure to make it special and sign it.

adam

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Adam, what is the guy like you doing at the site like that?


PS I have many posts on this site because among a couple of BSs I have a BS in BS.

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Post by Adam Trahan » Fri May 30, 2003 11:12 pm

On 2003-05-30 13:26, Vlad Popov wrote:
This is my 600th post. Can't wait for 666th.

Speaking of Sixes...You're only 4 shy of your 66th. Make sure to make it special and sign it.

adam

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Adam, what is the guy like you doing at the site like that?

PS I have many posts on this site because among a couple of BBSs I have a BS in BS.
Ahh Vladdy, TK said that this string was only a shell of what it once was so I figured a little trick of that number would be appropriate.

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Let's see, oh, your number, hmm, someone had to have http://www.666.com registered, quick search, sure enough, whoa, right here in Arizona, further search in this web site reveals a coincidence, my name, too weird...

I put 2+2 together and made 666 and then "threw it up" at you like that little girl in the Exorcist.

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Is this a joke???

Is it getting hot in here?

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Post by Brady Mitchell » Sat May 31, 2003 1:43 am

Can I be 66 for the day? (my 66th post)

I`m 66.21 on the other board and 66 is just a wee short of the real deal...just a wanna be...heh heh!!

OK, so who in the top ten is just a keyboard racer? I can hear the excuses now. Actually, I`d prefer not to....

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Post by Henry Julier » Sat May 31, 2003 10:43 pm

No, Brady, you cannot be 66.

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Post by Henry Julier » Wed Jun 04, 2003 9:54 pm

Another humorous moment provided by Brady-

I get an email from El Scabo, saying-

"Found a typo in your website, in the Construction section, to expensive should be too expensive.
Best regards,
Brady"

Of course, by referring to 'my' website Brady meant icksticks.com.

Im not sure what Brady was smoking, but the typo that he called me on was on http://www.pocketpistolskates.com.

Even more puzzling was that he emailed the typo correction to icksticks@aol.com, which was then forwarded to me.

?! wow.

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Fri Jun 06, 2003 1:01 am

I started a topic in the OFF TOPIC forum dedicated to being a sloppy drunk. I have found it's a much better state of mind that I could ever imagine compared to playing drums. On that topic this afternoon, Henry Julier posted the following:

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Well, I'm only 18, but I'd love to be a sloppy drunk skater. It sure beats being a lame drummer or a posing moron who can't read or go to the right website!
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Later, in an effort to preach to us what he thinks is right and how we need to do things differently to suit his ideas, the South Florida God Of All That Is Slalom In The Comfort Of His Easy Chair adjusted Jar Jar's words to say the following:

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Well, I'm only 18, but I'd love to be a sloppy drunk skater.
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What's funny is that the South Florida God Of All That Is Slalom In The Comfort Of His Easy Chair is the FIRST ONE to scream how Eric Groff takes him out of context. By carefully editing Jar Jar's remarks, it appears that he wants something completely different than what Henry said. So who is taking whom out of context?

Henry said that being a sloppy drunk at any age is better than being a posing moron.

Can't say as I blame him. Also, can't wait til the next time the whimpering and crying starts about how Eric Groff takes words out of context.

Oh, I won't be as feckless as the South Florida God Of All That Is Slalom In The Comfort Of His Easy Chair and put any words into anyone's mouth (or type words and then credit them to someone without permission.) If Henry wants to correct my interpretation of what he said, I'll leave it to him.

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Post by George Gould » Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:49 pm

And you just never know.... I got off the phone with my father in law, he knows I have a habit called slalom and even watched Mollica's videos (L/C & Worlds) However, he was in Paris at the Trocdero and watched you guys and now seems pretty stoked. Slalom has to be seen in person. Regardless T/S-G/S the perspective seen live blew him away. he described at as one of the better atheletic events he watched. He was easily able to identify John, "looked like he was dancing, really fast and there were a lot of chicks..."

How bizarre for me to tell him I knew several of you? I am trying to get him to go to Morro Bay.

John, no offense to the pro's in my previous posts, i was making a point and I don't like to drop names. most newbies don't jump into the fire of the pro class-other than Vlad the real Russian Rocket.

How about Noah! Congrats at Breckenridge! what did I say last year after the Worlds? I already predicted it! the dude is fast!

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Post by Sarah Howell » Sat Jun 21, 2003 5:55 pm

Vlad-
Your now at 653 you only have 13 post left. Lucky you.

~ickchick~

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Post by Henry Julier » Sun Jun 22, 2003 6:55 pm

Redemption time.

Joe, will you be at the July 4th race?

REMATCH!!

The odds are against me because I would consider myself better at GS than TS, my pump sucks and I'm not fat so I have no roll speed.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:20 pm

On 2003-06-21 11:55, Sarah Howell wrote:
Vlad-
Your now at 653 you only have 13 post left. Lucky you.

~ickchick~

This is my <font size=10>666</font>th and very last post on this site. Thanks everyone, it's been fun. See you on nc<font size =10>kkk</font> dot com.

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Post by Terry Kirby » Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:34 pm

Thank you Joe I for restoring TDS to its original form. TK

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Post by Lauren Gordon » Fri Jul 04, 2003 7:38 pm

Hey what happened to the dark side?

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Post by Henry Julier » Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:20 pm

Joe, it was a pleasure smoking your ass by 8 tenths on Friday! Let's do it again sometime.

I have to point something out on the summer ski website... if you go to their history page, the guy with the camera and striped shirt is none other than Rick Howell, founder of ICK STICKS, and on the links page the guy sitting on the hood of the car (we think) is Charlie Ransom, OG ICKer and Bandlands legend!

Way to go summer ski!

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Post by Jim Siener » Wed Jul 09, 2003 6:18 pm

Henry,
At least Joe posted a qualifying time for the TS. If I recall you DQ'ed both runs. If you could of managed not hitting more than NINE cones you would of smoked him and probably me too but i guess it was too hard of a course for you. Then again maybe your racing strategy is more just about plowing for a RAW time instead of slaloming.

Oh yeah, and posting a time for the GS was easy, as JG says it was a beginner slalom course.

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Post by Terry Kirby » Wed Jul 09, 2003 7:00 pm

Jim, welcome to the dark side . Where the truth hurts and we like it that way.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Wed Jul 09, 2003 7:38 pm

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I'm down 15 lbs, did you grow a testicle yet?
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"smoke my ass"? That sound kinda "funny" from a guy in a dress.
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Post by Sarah Howell » Thu Jul 10, 2003 5:23 am

HaHaHaHa thats funny HAHAHAHAHAHA. Poor Henry growing is tough (i wouldnt know, nor would i want to!) but anyway THE SMACK IS BACK!!!

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Post by Matthew Wilson » Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:02 pm

Not that I am one to talk trash about anyone or anything (at least not yet) but I do have some strong feelings about certain things slalom-related. One is raw times.

Boasting about raw time is like saying you can hit a 120 MPH serve in tennis, but can't get it in the box.

Raw time is only good for determining what you WISH you could do if you had the skills to make the course with any reasonable degree of competency.

Raw time is great for practicing by yourself, but carries no weight in a competition.

In the end, raw time don't mean squat.

Slalom is simple: The fastest time with the fewest number of cones down.

I tried Jim Seiner's board and shaved nearly 3 seconds off my time (roughly). That means that I smoked Joe I's a** Henry J's a**, and Jim Siener's a**...maybe even a couple of other folks' a**es. But I will not allow myself to be disillusioned. I smoked nobody's a** because I knocked down 14 cones along the way.

NOBODY should ever come out saying that beat so and so when in truth, in never really happened.

note: this post was not directed at any individual. It was only meant to put wood on some random fires already burning. Thanks for listening.
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Post by Vlad Popov » Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:11 pm

Smoking a** kicks a**!
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Post by Sarah Howell » Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:04 am

Yo you guys know something, this place used to kick i could come here talk some smack and accually not get in trouble for it, but now it BORING cant you guys brong something up??!! ANYTHING!!

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Post by George Gould » Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:42 am

So, I'm spending the night at the Howell's House of Ick and Sarah offers me what I think is a "slim jim". well I thought it was pretty tasty until I figured out it was a dog treat. she stands there grinning. don't trust her fellas. Sarah, you are pretty vicious. hope this brightens up your day.

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Post by Tom Blankley » Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:38 am

Hey , George asked for, and liked the "slim jim" 'til he found out what it was.
I wish I had my camera.
Sorry George.

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Post by John Gilmour » Wed Jul 30, 2003 11:06 am

What...no pre farm smack?

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Post by Cheri Schroeder » Thu Jul 31, 2003 3:32 am

John, I know a 6 year old that's coming to kick your butt!!!

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Post by Sarah Howell » Sat Aug 02, 2003 8:53 pm

Sry bout that george, you asked for it (literally) so HAHA, and ya I think there are a ton of 6 year olds out there that could smoke johns butt....so you know i dont think thats to hard to find...

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Post by Sarah Howell » Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:17 am

Ok i have a question for joe-

Ok at the farm henry wore a dress!! right.. he wore it because why? he lost to you.. well why is it he beat you??!! IN A DRESS ok ya i know no big deal but if he lost to you and had to wear a dress why dont you have to wear a dress after losing to him...?
please explain

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Post by Henry Julier » Sat Aug 16, 2003 5:33 am

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Woah! 4 skate legends all in one place!

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Post by Jeff Goad » Sat Aug 16, 2003 5:48 am

wow

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Post by Rick Stanziale » Sat Aug 16, 2003 2:40 pm

Pics from the X-Games are rolling in.......

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LA Times reports 20,000 cases of beer were consumed (I think I read that on the "other" website)

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Post by Jeff Goad » Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:27 pm

rick, that pic looks like Athens in two weeks.

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Post by Sarah Howell » Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:38 am

So I am a little girl now huh?? HOW FUN, and ok fine Henry only beat you one race, no dress, and i understand henry was smart enough to make a bet with you, that dummie.... well yes fine
Peace

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Thu Aug 21, 2003 4:59 pm

Anyone else see this today in the "Tight Slalom" forum?

"John Gilmour Team Roe Racing Posted: 2003-08-21 06:46"


6:46 AM? Ok. You just have to ask yourself ONE QUESTION: was he just getting up OR just getting in?

My god, I just thought of something. Could it be, is it possible, can we comprehend a world where . . . John Gilmour had to get up this morning and GO TO WORK?

Oh, the humanity!

(Somebody STOP ME!)

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Post by Terry Kirby » Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:07 am

Wes, This may come as a suprise to many of the readers out there but JG does indeed have a job. He is currently working the graveyard shift at the popular health and bath spa Chez Vogue located in Back Bay Boston. JG is somewhat of a jack of all trades there providing not only fresh towells for the patrons but often times a shoulder to cry on for the broken hearted. After a long shift JG still finds the time to check his favorite website and enrich our lives with words of wisdom and experience. And for this I say..."thanks JG" !

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:17 pm

On 2003-08-22 01:09, The South Florid God Of All That Is Slalom Sitting In The Comfort Of His Easy Chair wrote in the Ground Effects (PVD) forum: I`m not into cliques
Perhaps a poll would be in order of all the cliques who solicited his membership and were rebuffed?

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Post by Slappy Maxwell » Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:28 pm

Wes, I think he's confusing cliques with the clicks from his keyboard. They can be annoying when you don't get out and actually skate.

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:48 pm

When TK, Noah and the rest of the East Coast Clique slaloms, it sounds like "click-click-click-click-click-click-click-click"

When the SFGOATISITCOHEC tries to ride it sounds like "click . . . . . . . . . . . . click . . . . . . . . . . . . click . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . click . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . click . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . click . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . click . . . . . . . . . . . . click . . . . . . . . . . . . "

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Post by Henry Julier » Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:36 am

Am I faster than Brady Scabs?

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