[2004] Region West Atlantic: USA West

[Hans Koraeus]

West Americans have 6 high status competitions to select for each season.
3 Main
3 Prime

This topic is aimed for West Americans to discuss statuses for the competitions in their region.

Note! All competitions count into the world ranking though. All competitions apart from the selected above will get the status "Basic". There is no limit for this status but it should still be considered only for serious competitions. With the "Basic" status the competition can’t have a separate Pro class. Its highest class will be the Open class.

[Pat Chewning]

Looking at the races for the Western USA, I think this makes sense:


Class Race State Date
Major World Championships Morro Bay (Am Cup) CA 8-Oct
Main US Open - Breckenridge (American Cup) CO 20-Aug
Main La Costa (American Cup) CA 24-Jul
Prime Hood River - Gorge Games (American Cup) OR 10-Jul
Prime Bicknell Blitz CA 22-Apr
Prime Indian School Banked Slalom NM 20-Mar
Basic Colorado Cup CO 26-Jun
Basic Cambria CA 23-May
Basic JPL CA 21-Feb
Basic Cascade Slalom Ridgefield WA 25-Apr
Basic Cascade Slalom Ridgefield WA 12-Sep
Basic Cascade Slalom Salem OR 20-Jun
Basic Cascade Slalom Seattle WA 23-May

[Hans Koraeus]

USA West event statuses 2004

Unless I don't get hold of any more information these are the only Western USA events that will get included in the world ranking for 2004. My intention is to have an updated ranking before the World Championships in Morro Bay.

[Major] World Champs [Special, TS, Super-G, Cyber] Oct 8 Morro Bay, CA Contact: Jack Smith
[Main] La Costa Open 2004 [GS, TS] July 24 Carlsbad, CA Contact: Steve Sherman
[Main] US Slalom Skate Champs [GS, TS] Aug 20 Breckenridge, CO Contact: Gary Fluitt
[Prime] Bicknell Blitz Challenge [TS] April 22 Venice Beach, CA Organized by Attila Aszodi.
[Prime] Gorge Games, American Cup #2 [GS, TS] July 10
[Prime] None?
[Basic] Cambria Calling [TS] May 23 Cambria, CA Contact: Jack Smith [Results not complete?]
[Basic] 2004 Cascade Series [Special] May 23 Seattle WA Contact: Pat Chewning [Results not complete?]
[Basic] California Champ Series [Tight] June 13 West LA College, CA Contact: Westwood Ski Club
[Basic] 2004 Cascade Series [100 cone] June 20 Salem OR Contact: Pat Chewning
[Basic] Colorado Cup [GS] June 26 Colorado Contact: Gary Fluitt
[Basic] Texas Outlaw Summer Sizzler [Slalom] Aug 7 Contact: Eddy Martinez
[Basic] 2004 Cascade Series [Slalom] Sept 12 Ridgefield WA Contact: Pat Chewning
[Basic] Pump Station [TS, Special, GS] Sept 20 Poway, San Diego, CA
[Cancelled?] 2004 Cascade Series April 25 Ridgefield WA Contact: Pat Chewning

[Hans Koraeus]

The world ranking now has special rankings for Pro and Am. It's a personal choice to race as Pro or not. Often it is not necessary for racer to state this choice because it can be decided automatically depending on if racer enter pro classes or not in any competitions during the year. If not entered current year previous year is used. If no Pro class is found the racer is treated as Am.

This year there has only been OPEN competitions in USA so there have not been any clear picture of who is Pro or not. There are a lot of points to fight about and why it is better to have this settled before.

If nothing else is brought to my attention the following group of racers will be treated as Pros in the World Championships.

List of racers according to start list.

2004 = Entered a Pro class in 2004
2003 = Entered a Pro class in 2003
2004 New = First year as Pro

Pro______________
Atilla Aszodi 2003
Jason Mitchell 2004
Chris Chaput 2003
Paul Price 2003
Michael Stride 2004
Noah Heinle 2004 New
Chicken Deck 2003
Richy Carrasco 2004
Claude Regnier 2004
Steve Evans 2003
Tay Hunt 2003
Michael Dong 2003
Bill Wahl 2003
Charlie Ransom 2003
David Hackett 2003
Gary Fluitt 2003
Bobby Mandarino 2004
Chris Barker 2004 New
Keith Hollien 2004
Kenny Mollica 2004
Eric Groff 2003
Mike Maysey 2003
Peter Klang 2004
Marcus Seyffarth 2004
Maurus Strobel 2004
Brent Kosick 2003
Steve Olson 2004
Aki von Glasow 2003
Gints Gailitis 2003
John O'Shei 2003
Detlef Rehbock 2004

Other Pros not seen on the participant list
Mark Mcree 2003
Vlad Popov 2004
John Gilmour 2003
Paul Dunn 2003
Terrence Kirby 2003
Gary Holl 2003
Duane Peters 2003
John Hutson 2003
Bill Thomas 2003
Steve Sherman 2003
Siale Saile 2003
Beau Brown 2003
Wes Carpenter 2003
Gary Cross 2003
Jeff Thomas 2003
Robert Palmer 2003
David Hegstrom 2003
Clayton Scott 2003
? Ramos 2003
Alan Sidlo 2003
? Lugero 2003
Eric Britton 2003
Brad Edwards 2003
Jesse Parker 2003


Am________________
Tiger Williams
David Pirnack
Mickey Williams
Adrian Pina
Bill Boothby
Martin Drayton
Mike Cividino
Phil Plunkett
Jeff Goad
Mike McLaren
Sam Gordon
Tim Kienitz
Glenn Chapman
Mark Coady
Ricky Byrd
Mike Ohm
Michael Kaelon
John Ravitch
David Carrasco
Niall Horton-Stephens
Gerry Huitt
Eduardo Martinez
Eric Brammer
Bruce Bjortvedt
Scott Johnston
Paul Howard
Pete Ingraham
Tim Oates
Aaron Morris
Chris Barker
Rick Stanziale
Johnny Miller
Brandon Headland
Jonathon Harms
Mike Gorman
Cliff Coleman
Tom Blankley
Mike Biffle
Gareth Roe
Jadranko Radovanovic
John Corning
Haggy Strom
David Eye
Rene Carrasco
Andrew Mercado
Mikey
John Bruzenak
Rick Stanziale
Floyd Reid



Junior men_____________
Joe McLaren
Ben Chapman
Josh Byrd
Bryan Werner
Kyle McLaren
Dylan Gordon
Matt Tripp
Adam Schwippert


Women_____________
Lynn Kramer
Judi Oyama
Lisa Woodward
Elisa Campbell
Sarah Byrd
Noemi Reichel
Lauren Gordon
Keli Benko
Katii Campbell


Junior Women_____________
Lauren Gordon
Keli Benko
Katii Campbell
Elisa Campbell







Any Pros wanting to run as Am or any Am wanting to run as Pro in the above lists? To have points counted towards either the Pro or the Am ranking you have to put forward this before the Morro Bay event.

[Hans Koraeus]

I have had some comments on the Cyber Slalom in Morro Bay. Normally it was meant for Breckenridge but was cancelled. Then it was decided to run it during the World Championships in Morro Bay. The question is whether to count the cyber slalom with Major or Main points for the World Ranking. What I have been told the cyber is not included in the World Championship event that has Super-G, Hybrid and TS. The cyber is more like an event on the side.

I have counted all 4 disciplines as Major status. It is of course a big advantage the more disciplines you have to get two good results/points this way. Any comments on this? If not I will count all 4 with Major points.

[Rick Stanziale]

you asked, I'm answering

do NOT count cyber slalom as an event

it you'd like me to expand on my answer, I'll be happy to

[Hans Koraeus]

World Championships of Skateboard Racing
October 8-10, 2004
Paso Robles, California
The Cyber Slalom CupTM

Hmm, going back to the the ncdsa calendar and reading through the registration page I now have a better picture of it. It is actually a different event even though the event title above may fool you.

The cyber slalom should then in my view not be counted with Major points. It is two different events. They just happen to take place the same weekend and in the same place. Like this...

- World Champs, Morro Bay. Status: Major. [Super-G, Hybrid, TS]
- Cyber Slalom Cup, Paso Robles. Status: ? [Cyber]

I have put a question mark on status of the cyber event. Normally it should just get a Basic Status but since there is a Prime status that has not been used yet one could imagine setting Prime status on the cyber as well.

Rick, I take it that you mean that you don't want to count the cyber as an event/discipline of the World Championships. If so the above will make sense to you I guess.

If this is ok so far then the question is what status to give the Cyber Slalom Cup event?

[Jeff Goad]

GAY

[Hans Koraeus]

I have been sleeping on this tricky situation. I think even though it is two separate events/competitions it will have to be counted as one in the eyes of the World Ranking. We can't have people doing four disciplines and then saying it is two events which makes you being able to count 4 results instead of the intended 2 per event trip. This is one of the foundamentals behind the ranking system.

So, I think we will have to go back to my original plan for the Morro Bay event. The four disciplines in the eye of the world ranking will belong to the same Morro Bay event. And since Morro Bay has Major status all the disciplines will be given Major points. The two best points per person will count towards the World Ranking.

Rick, it would be interesting to hear why you don't want the cyber slalom to count.

Jeff, this is maybe not the best thread to come out... or did you have something else in mind?

[Peter Klang]

Of course the Cyber event has to count as a major. How does any slalom skater think we ever get big price purses if the EVENT with THE BIGGEST price purse only count as a prime event.

I personally think most critics will come from those whom can´t push start, pump or drag stop. Get real, promote the sport and encourage sponsors and organizers. Give those whom deserve it a high ranked event.

I think there should be a set standard:
If you want an event to have Major status you have to have a price purse of $X. If you want to receive main status the price purse have to be $Y.
And so on, of course is the standard on timing system and start ramps, single qualifying and so on necessary.

The punk rock f#@k you all attitude don’t have any room in today’s skateboard. The 80 are gone wake up, or grow up. If we ever gonna be looked upon as athletes and get big price purses we all have to pull in the same direction. To be able to do so we need to know the direction. I know what I want, do you?

This should be obvious for all, riders, media and manufactures of skateboard products. We are all dependent on each. other whether we like it or not. I know some people have a hard time to fall in line, but I rather fall in line then bending over and bite the pillow. You might don’t like what I say, find, but my dick is like my skating, only harder to swallow.

[Peter Klang]

Get the picture...

[Jeff Goad]

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The punk rock f#@k you all attitude don’t have any room in today’s skateboard. dick is like my skating, only harder to swallow.

f#@k YOU SKATEBOARDING IS PUNK ROCK MAYBE YOU SHOULD ROLLERBLADE

[Jack Smith]

Goad,

Skateboarding may be punk rock to you, it isn't to me. Maybe it's a generational thing, when I started skating, punk didn't exist.

Jack

[Jeff Goad]

when I started skating, punk didn't exist.

Jack

dam, you are old.

[Jeff Goad]

jack,

this is what you could have been listening to when you were 11.

http://www.punk77.co.uk/audio/stoogesdog.mp3




it's never to late to try something new.
look at me i started slalom skateboarding.

[Jack Smith]

Jeff,

I was 11 years old in 1967. I think the big song that summer was "Monday, Monday" by the Mamas and Papas.

I like all kinds of new things, punk is not new.

Only dirt is older than I am.

See you soon, bro (70's speak).

JS

[Peter Klang]

Gaod, your funny, I saw the Pistols live before you knew what punk even was. Try to look at it in a larger Perspective.

By the way, you look realy punk in pink dude.

[Jeff Goad]

wow peter i wish i was you.

jack, punk is not new. no shit.


im a punk ass not a punk rocker

[Peter Klang]

I know, you are not the only one.

but...

...there can be only one.

[Peter Klang]

Jeff goad, Your ok, I hope we are on the same level from now on?
I hope we meet agian, why not in Paris.

You now you got allot of European freinds.

[Hans Koraeus]

The forgotten heroes from Morro Bay
Here are the amateur winners from Morro Bay the way the World Ranking looks at it.

Super-G
1 Tim Oates, USA
2 Jonathan Harms, USA
3 David Pirnack, USA
4 Miko Biffle, USA

Special
1 David Pirnack, USA
2 John Ravitch, USA
3 Jonathan Harms, USA
4 Paul Howard, USA

Cyber
1 Haggy Strom, Norway
2 John Corning, USA
3 Gerry Huitt, USA
4 Brandon Headland, USA

TS
1 Gareth Roe, USA
2 Paul Howard, USA
3 Floyd Reid, USA
4 David Pirnack, USA

[Donald Campbell]

goad peter jack

punk...
started for me in 77-i was 16 at that time.my region was well known for being one of the 3 major breeding grounds for punk and subculture besides hamburg and berlin.i know,as a matter of fact,that the us-boyz got aware of that cultural stream a bit later on in the late 70's.
so much for that.


peter:i totally dig outstanding personalities.punk rockers,punk-ass guys,hardcores,extreme personalities-whatever.
each sport needs these outstanding individuals-as long as they don't harm
the sport-to add color to it.

that is something you should understand.without those extreme characters life and slalom would be definitely boring.

so let's be a bit more open-minded

[Martin Drayton]

Hi Corky,

just so you know....Haggy is a Norwegian living in Australia!!!
Martin.

[Hans Koraeus]

He is!? If so that causes for a scandinavian celebration! A Norwegian world amateur first place, yeah! I bet his name is really Haggy Ström but I see he entered his name as Strom in the memberlist. It could also possibly be Strœm or Strøm. I know the Norweigian have some funny characters. (Like the Swedish å ä ö would be normal...).

[Hans Koraeus]

New topic started for the season 2005.