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Post by Donald Campbell » Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:51 pm

alavoine jean paul wrote:
Hans Koraeus wrote:Etienne,

It is not very clear what exactly you are trying to say... .
hahaha
that's what i thought when i read the post.

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:07 pm

Jean-Paul, we know you own a particular mastership of proper english speaking, a skill that will actually be rather useless on the internet.
orthographic and crammatical correctness comments, in whatever idiom are absolutely contrary to the"netiquette". all the same, an excessive use of capital, bold and big letters is considered gross.
i am sorry my use of sociological techniques, unusual here, might have been somewhat obscure... Yet this is mostly a problem of context, and it has been answered yet.

I could have made it shorter, but now it is done and if you take a minute to actually read it i am sure you will find it interesting. Well of course i stink just a bit, but nobody's perfect, that's life.
:)

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Post by Donald Campbell » Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:57 pm

etienne:
the tangential controversial use of idioms in the aspherical context of a complex sentence-structure is,what strikes me most!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by alavoine jean paul » Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:42 pm

Etienne ranking first in the Mastery of (sociological) English!

Is English gross?


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Post by Etienne de Bary » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:28 pm

Stop teasing me you guys, this is not the Etienne de Bary topic ! ;)

If it is so, i'll go back to classical argumentation, and answer Pierre's point by point : 8)
pierre samray wrote:That's why I think these 4 races might be the MAIN.
THESE RACES ARE : Paris, Grueningen, Koln, Antibes.
One of these 4 should be a major race.
I consider 11 points to make a choice : Organisation, the location, communication/media, level, racers, nations, history, public, road quality, why can it be a major, animation.

1) Organisation : experience of the organizer. Number of persons in the organization
1 Koln : I was not there but heard only good things about it.
2 Antibes : some trouble with the schedule and the rules I note and change this year.
3 Grueningen : some confusion on Saturday with lost results.
4 Paris : rain come and disturb the event , but organizer save it well.
1 Paris : Most ambitious event, enough time to face possible weather troubles, 2 rescue timing systems ready to be installed in a few minutes. Big organising team who all practice slalom on a serious amateur basis at least, backing Jani's experience.
2 Koln : Serious but smaller event, severe timer problems
pierre samray wrote: 2) The location :
1 Paris for the Eiffel Tower
2 Antibes for the sea and the beach
3 Koln for the forest
4 Grueningen

3) Accommodation for racers.
1 Grueningen : everything was perfect
2 Antibes : I'm looking after cheap place to stay this year
3 Paris : WC closed, staying in Paris expensive!
3ex Koln : No informations
Whatever you think, Venice San Marco Piazza being not available, Paris still seems to attract people from all over the world, sometimes they even bring their spouses. Toilet facilities in the Musée de la Marine upstairs, not to mention dozens of cafés of the Place du Trocadero. Possible improvement next year on that point (too early to swear.)
pierre samray wrote:4) Communication/Media
1 Grueningen / Antibes : internet site, event previous early in the season,
registration on line. TV, papers...
3 Paris : Internet site and Jani contact.
4 Koln : Good communication in Germany, not enough in Europe.
1 Paris : professional PR Soizic working full time on the event, numbers of TV and radio broadcasts, important posters and flyers distribution, website of course, huge Riderz internet presence and association mobilisation.
pierre samray wrote:7) History : what the place of this race in the slalom world.
1 Paris : Trocadero famous place since the seventees
2 Grueningen : 4th edition
Antibes : first race in 79, 4th edition this year
4 Koln : 2nd edition

8) Public : Is there any public.
1 Paris : Amazing!
2 Antibes, Koln and Grueningen : good, but can be better

9) Road quality :
1 Koln : perfect
2 Paris, Grueningen, Antibes (good)
1 Paris : one of the best tarmac in the world ! Vlad says it's a crime not to ride it with 90a front AND rear.

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Post by Peter Klang » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:30 pm

Hey guys, STOP it, the only ones allowed to rate the event are the competitors. I was in all but Antibes (unfortunately); I would have loved it I think, since I love France. I just want to clear something out. The accessibility to Paris over Antibes (It should still be run, great place, Pierre is GREAT, I love the guy) should make it France choice of Major/main event in 2005, see my view for the Euro races 2005. I stick by my opinion. Vive la France. Go schwizzzzzzzzz, unt du bist ok Hannover, själv ska jag försöka få Macster att hoppa så högt jag ber honom.

Dream locations of future major/main races.
LONDON
MOSCOW
PARIS always Paris
ROME
BARCELONA
LISBON

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Post by Hans Koraeus » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:01 pm

Peter, you forgot...

Zürich (Switzerland)
Riga (Latvia)
Stockholm (Sweden)

And to continue the world tour...
Bangkok (Thailand)
Tokyo (Japan)
Sydney (Australia)
Honolulu (USA)
Los Angeles (USA)
Las Vegas (USA)
New York (USA)

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Post by Peter Klang » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:05 am

Totally, but I was just talking about Europe.
I would like to skate in Cape Town, K.L and Rio and so on.

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Post by Carsten Pingel » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:49 am

Hey Peter,
what about Cologne ?? Ok, we know you didn't like Cologne this Year! But...there are a lot of racers who want to race Cologne in 2005 !!!
Carsten

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Post by Peter Klang » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:02 pm

And race they should. I have never stated Köln was, are or should be buried. Bring it on.

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:58 pm

i've just been rereading the whole topic: lots of people express the opinion that Paris is the most important event, nobody says Koln is more important than Paris. Seems hard to understand how Koln could be been choosen as major over Paris, certainly did not happen on this Forum !

So, like the priests say during weddings "- is there anyone who contests now ? if you have something to say, say it now !" : is there anyone here to defend that Köln is a bigger and a more important international event than Paris ?

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Post by Hans Koraeus » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:40 pm

Etienne,
If you are talking about the 2004 season Cologne was the choice because France had held the European championship and the Major status in 2003. The European championship should not be held in the same country two years in a row. The same goes for the Major status and even if there are no rules saying so this has been a consensus before.

Should the European championships always be the Major of the year? It has been so far but maybe there are cases where this is not a must. If someone would like to take on a World Championship it seems to me that it would be logical to give it the Major status and not the European championships. And even if there is no world champs in Europe maybe one could imagine separating the Major status and the European Championships. The problem with Paris is the timing. Don't misunderstand it. It is the perfect timing and event to kick off the season with but is it the perfect time for the most important and point desisive event of the year? There is a reason why world championships and European championships tend to be towards the end of the season.

Now, if it wasn't because of Paris this would not have been an issue. But since Paris has so many other good points it even balances this up. For 2005 everything is still open except for Germany that will not have the possibility for a European championships or a Major. I'm not personally against having Paris as a Major in 2005. But having a European championships or World championships in the middle of May will always feel strange to me. Just giving you my opinion. Everything is possible.

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:55 pm

Yes I had just forgot the Euro championship was not in Koln ever. An Euro Championship halfway between the Baltic, Russians and Swiss looks fine to me.

As this major status seems somehow to anticipate a world tour, I am not sure one single competition should assume both status. But that is another, arguable, point.
Paris is called World Cup, which exactly expresses its transatlantic international ambitions, not World Championship.
The season ends in Morro B... The championship status of MB is not to be taken too litterally I guess, but it does end the season. (An outdoor race in Paris could not be scheduled after mid-september.)
So an opening major in May actually sounds perfect to me. This way Paris and Morro Bay draw a perfect basis for a forthcoming global tour.

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Post by Donald Campbell » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:23 pm

it is strange,but i can't shake the feeling off,that all you french guys try to push paris as much as possible.
is that so?
or am i just misinterpreting things?

saying that paris starts and morro ends the racing season sounds also very boring,sort of.
why not try some new cities?
how about bringing something up in england.london maybe?
talk with the brits and try to arrange something new,something fresh.
i don't think that any city should have a "subscription" to host an event.
what about marseille?


don't get me wrong,but fresh air is always welcome and reviving.

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:05 pm

donald campbell wrote:it is strange,but i can't shake the feeling off,that all you french guys try to push paris as much as possible.
is that so?
:D As a matter of fact i'm not just french, i'm parisian too
donald campbell wrote:or am i just misinterpreting things?
what are you supposed to interpret, that is the question
donald campbell wrote:saying that paris starts and morro ends the racing season sounds also very boring,sort of.
allright, no need to say then
donald campbell wrote:why not try some new cities?
how about bringing something up in england.london maybe?
talk with the brits and try to arrange something new,something fresh.
i don't think that any city should have a "subscription" to host an event.
what about marseille?
OK, you settle down there, get into some active longboard existing social life, federate local sleeping beauties old school champions together with those, start specialised importation/distribution/shop busyness from scratch, animate weekly sessions to get locals into slalom for a few years, and, if you are as lucky as i am, maybe all these people will offer their energy and skills for a competition, which, still with a bit of chance, will improve with time. Believe me, i'll do my best to help you.
donald campbell wrote:don't get me wrong,but fresh air is always welcome and reviving.
Hope to see you in may, my fresh juniors need some sparing partners. 8)

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Post by Vlad Popov » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:17 pm

I think Paris, esp. this year, had a very special place among other EU slalom comps. For reasons Etienne mentioned.

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Post by Donald Campbell » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:20 pm

thank you,etienne,for proving your point and mine too.

i didn't want to get you in a typing frenzy.
you'll see me and a few of my friends/team guys entering your race,make sure you bring some really good sparring partners.:lol:

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:06 pm

donald campbell wrote:thank you,etienne,for proving your point and mine too.

i didn't want to get you in a typing frenzy.
;) i can do more frenetic (in typing)
donald campbell wrote:you'll see me and a few of my friends/team guys entering your race,make sure you bring some really good sparring partners.:lol:
:D excellent news !

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Post by Donald Campbell » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:17 pm

ah i see you're a keyboard racer


hahahahahahahahahahaha

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Post by Ramón Königshausen » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:26 pm

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Post by Guillaume Olivieri » Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:49 pm

donald campbell wrote:what about marseille?
hmm, we're studying the question actually:That would be cool, for sure. we ain't got so many bad-ass/fancy-lookin' architectural shit as in Paris, but we do have some nice slalom spots and some nice skateparks .
Fact: it never rains in summer.... sort of a Californian weather in a certain way...
So yeah, if you guys wanna help you'll be welcome.


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Post by Michael Stride » Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:57 pm

I'd like to complain that my hotel in Antibes was 20m from the course. I find it unacceptable that a skater of my quality should have to cross a road to get to the race site.

Like wise, i'd like to complain about that big metal aerial that was constantly in veiw in Paris. When is the scaffolding ever going to come down?

Finally I'd like to complain that British races are orgainsed by british skaters, whats the fun in complaining if they can UNDERSTAND you? Thats no fun.

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:48 am

donald campbell wrote:ah i see you're a keyboard racer
hahahahahahahahahaha
i'll beat you all sometime ! But probably not next season yet ;)

A purely utopic idea that goes thru my mind while reading Michael's post: what about judges exchanges ? european timer and cones judges in Morro Bay, US judges in Paris...

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Post by Michael Stride » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:01 am

Now thats a great idea Etienne.

The thought of being able to complain to non-partisan judges has me salivating. I am, of course, not implying that judges are partisan at the moment. Its just your suggestion can elimanate any paranoid thoughts skaters might have. Like the fact a US skater was given the spare place at Morro on Sundays tight. It was percieved as localism by some racers.

Mind you, I hope the bearded wierdy 'official' guy who threatened me at Paris isnt actually allowed out of the country. In fact I hope his nurses dont let him out every weekend!

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Post by Hans Koraeus » Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:05 pm

Michael,
I know that guy. He is a great guy. I know you a little. You are a great guy. Doesn't mean you don't flip out now and then. And maybe he did too. Competition stress is high both for racers and organizers. Not acceptable maybe but the reality. When races are over and things cool down the two great guys are back in normal. The race is over Michael. Don't let it get to you. Sure it got you scared. But so was that little girl at Morro. It's not personal, it's stress. I hope you can understand and that someone can explain that to that girl and other officials at competitions too.

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Post by Peter Klang » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:08 pm

Michael, Michael, Michael, stop being so English...

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Post by Donald Campbell » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:30 pm

ah etienne
you're no keyboard-racer
you're a quoter

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Post by Michael Stride » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:40 am

Hans. I did not shout at any little girls at Morro Bay. Despite my 'reputation'.
You wernt there.

It was very nice of Jani, (who wasnt there either) to put his nose in where it wasnt wanted, or needed on NCDSA.

You are fully aware that when in Antibes it transpired I was wrong, I apologised straight away, and I regret having lost it there. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I wish others were man enough too.

BTW I forgive easily too, in case your wondering. And I give credit where it is due as well. Remeber that and you might find I'm not that bad.

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Post by Claude Regnier » Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:53 pm

Micheal you are dead wrong. It wasn't localism! It was bullshit.
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Post by alavoine jean paul » Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:31 pm

Please Etienne mind your spelling (especially of verbs), my eyes hurt, not from sleeping but from reading your posts.

The French master of Skatiquette.

P.S.:Is Skatiquette. gross ? I'm asking you M.C. Etienne.
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Post by Guillaume Olivieri » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:08 am

Ordinarily, i'm rather proud to be French but ,man i'm so ashamed right now....a sissy boy and a retard; looks like Laurel & Hardy to me...

life's cruel sometimes you know...

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Post by Etienne de Bary » Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:27 pm

Guillaume Olivieri wrote:Ordinarily, i'm rather proud to be French but ,man i'm so ashamed right now....a sissy boy and a retard; looks like Laurel & Hardy to me...
life's cruel sometimes you know...
Who's supposed to be Stan is of little interest, as all your nacissic mummie's son's little judgments. :D
it's cruel to be yourself to yourself only, Guillaume. :)

Jean-Paul,
Whatever you call it "speak white" english speaking is generally out of place on the internet. Your love of the academic Oxford idiom is nothing you should be ashamed of... but this is not the place to share it.

Would i be the lowest meanest person on earth, these comments are however off topic. There is a "Dark Side..." section where to spurt those.

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Post by Guillaume Olivieri » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:00 pm

Oh, you're so great Etienne... keep it up !

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Post by Guillaume Olivieri » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:05 pm

Would i be the lowest meanest person on earth
you are..

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Post by alavoine jean paul » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:35 pm

Hans Koraeus wrote:Peter, you forgot...

Zürich (Switzerland)
Riga (Latvia)
Stockholm (Sweden)

And to continue the world tour...
Bangkok (Thailand)
Tokyo (Japan)
Sydney (Australia)
Honolulu (USA)
Los Angeles (USA)
Las Vegas (USA)
New York (USA)
Are those places distant enough to avoid hearing Etienne and Guillaume preposterous comments? If they are count me in...
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Post by alavoine jean paul » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:42 pm

etienne de Bary wrote:[

english speaking is generally out of place on the internet.
.
This is what scares me...

P. S. : And as my friend William would say "What's the new news at the new court"
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Post by Hans Koraeus » Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:53 pm

New topic started for the season 2005.

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