DC 2003 SUMMER OUTLAW SLALOM SERIES

Slalom Skateboarding in Washington, U.S.A.

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Post by Andy Bittner » Fri Sep 12, 2003 8:38 pm

I second the motion for next weekend.

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Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:02 pm

I guess Yvonne and I can change our plans to Sunday.

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Post by Wes Eastridge » Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:35 pm

On Sunday, I can only race after 12 noon.

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Post by Brian Parsons » Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:08 pm

OK, In the spirit of getting as many racers as possible to our Summer series FINALS.

I will postpone the race until next Saturday the 20th.

If this decision creates major problems for some of you let me know. It is hard for me to make these calls. I just hate for guys to drive hours only to have to turn around a drive home in the rain.

Chris I hope you can pursuade Lisa and crew, Ilva and more of your NRA brethern to make the trip with you.

For local DCers I think a good practice session is in order for Sunday if it is dry. Maybe we could skate Tim's spot.

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Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:40 pm

Brian,
No problem here; see ya next weekend.

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Post by Rene Hayden » Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:46 pm

Hey all,

any Sunday for me is good. Have to work all Saturdays this month.

Rene.

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Post by Guest » Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:52 pm

next weekend sounds good....see ya'll then.

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Post by Wes Eastridge » Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:08 pm

Dang! Rain is already sucking the life out of this weekend.

Is surfing in the rain possible and if so, is it advisable? I mean during showers of course, not a thunderstorm.

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Post by Terry Kirby » Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:21 pm

Wes, Surfing in the rain by and large is a personal decision. Some surfers do not like the sensation of rain pelting them about the head and neck area while others don't mind at all. They're wet anyway right! One thing I would advise against is surfing during lightning storms. If you see lightning just get out of the water. TK

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Post by Jeff Boswell » Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:16 am

Don't matter to me my left arm is broke I'll be out for six weeks. You all have fun.

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Post by Mike Ohm » Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:06 am

Lucky for you Parsons I cannot make it on the 20th. It is Trevors birthday. Unless.....you run the Slalom first and start earlier than normal. The party starts at 3pm! Think about it.

Sunday session is on. I have been waiting to ride this secret little spot. Isn't Tims' spot flat? Good for 100 cone course?
Let me know about sunday. I will send out directions.

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Post by Andy Bittner » Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:09 am

Is that the Centerville location?

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Post by John Gilmour » Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:35 am

Chris- carpool. I can take the sars bus to NYC for $10

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Post by Guest » Sat Sep 13, 2003 4:42 am

Gilmour - carpool if you don't mind a johnny cash (RIP)/DC punk mix and driving 5 hours thru the wilds of Pennsylvania....plus I AIN'T driving into manhattan to get you...nor will I take the GW

(yup I'm picky...hahaha)

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:07 pm

Do y'all really think you'll get in a race this Saturday?

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It's a safe bet that even if serious damage is avoided, there will still be a good chance that many of y'all being without electricity. Also, don't forget that all those people who will evacuate will start to head home on Saturday. Imagine that traffic jam on every interstate. The Governor of North Carolina has ordered Ocracoke Island evacuated TODAY.

I recommended by e-mail to Brian that maybe this race would work best in early October between the World's and West Virginia.

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Post by Brian Parsons » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:23 pm

Wesley, you have no faith. That thing is going to spin north and die in the North Atlantic giving TK killer waves for the week leading up to Morro Bay.

LBK, Ohm, Slappy, How about a surf trip to OC this weekend? It’s guaranteed to be overhead. Might be a little choppy and closed out but there calling for 25 ft+. :smile:

In all seriousness, this storm is huge. Easterners be safe. Pray for clean surf after this thing unloads.

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:30 pm

On 2003-09-15 14:23, Brian Parsons wrote:
Wesley, you have no faith.
Whadda 'ya mean, Brian? FAITH is why it's steering north and missing ME! :razz:

Hey, let's be honest: when it comes to hurricanes, it's every man for himself BEFORE it hits and we'll all pull together and make things better AFTER it leaves!!

Oh, the good news is that as predicted it is losing a little strength as it gets to colder waters. Latest from the hurricane plane has the winds down from 160 mph to 130 mph. It's currently a Class 4 storm, down from a 5 over the weekend.

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Post by Noah Heinle » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:14 pm

What's wrong with racing in a hurricane?

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Post by Wesley Tucker » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:30 pm

On 2003-09-15 15:14, Noah Heinle wrote:
What's wrong with racing in a hurricane?
This from a guy named "Noah."

(Sorry. I couldn't resist.)

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Post by Guest » Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:53 pm

On 2003-09-15 15:14, Noah Heinle wrote:
What's wrong with racing in a hurricane?
...you all know how I feel about racing in the rain...DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ABOUT RACING IN HURRICANES.

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Post by Noah Heinle » Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:58 pm

LOL - sucka! I already did....

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Post by Guest » Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:29 pm

On 2003-09-15 16:58, Noah Heinle wrote:
LOL - sucka! I already did....

no you haven't...trust me, I can make even Wesley Tucker's posts look short, concise and too the point if I want to...

:razz:

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Post by Mike Ohm » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:22 am

The timer runs on batteries right? No need for lectricity!

Brian, I will pass on this storm. Surf has been a consistant 6 to 8 feet and poor conditions. Paddle out in Maryland, catch your first wave in NJ. Can you say rip current.

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Post by Terry Kirby » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:25 am

NH has about 11 miles of coastline. In those 11 miles there are a dozen point and reef breaks that never close out and can hold a massive swell. Weds thurs and Fri should be the call. Parsons you coming? TK

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Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:14 am

Hey out there in DC! You guys all OK? Hope that Isabel didn't do too much damage. Still wanna race on Saturday? Or should we postpone again?

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Post by Andy Bittner » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:50 am

It's a big nothing, so far. It's been pretty wet and it's been pretty windy, but I haven't experienced any weather I'd consider extreme. Saturday should be beautiful. Post-hurricane weather has a tendency to be extra crisp, clear and refreshing.

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Post by Rene Hayden » Fri Sep 19, 2003 8:02 pm

G-burg Race tommorrow, or no?

I can make it if there is one....

Is there?

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Post by Brian Parsons » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:06 pm

The race is on tomorrow. We will do the traditional slalom first so practice will start at 10am and the race will start around 11:00.

Sorry for getting this out so late. I have been out of pc contact for most of the day.

See you guys tomorrow. I hope all is well with everyone.

Hope the Morris's rode the storm out with no problems. Va Beach took a beating.

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Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:40 pm

Brian,
If you run the traditional slalom first, is that going to give the out-of-town racers from New York/New Jersey/New England time to get to the race? Doesn't matter to me, but think it might affect their participation.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:02 am

Very lucky to check the forum...from a friend's house somewhere far far away. Burke is out of power, so is Langley. Need to call people tonight.

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Post by Brian Parsons » Sat Sep 20, 2003 1:59 am

Yea, I thought a few people would be electronicly challenged today. I will call everyone I have numbers for.

Since the weather is going to be nice tomorrow, I hate to lose another weekend.

The storm was weak out here in Leesburg.

I never lost power. Never lost my DTV signal.

I hope everyone else fared as well.

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Post by Jeff Boswell » Sat Sep 20, 2003 5:07 pm

Here in Woodbridge we last cable tv and water for a few hours. I hope you all had fun today. Is there going to be a winter series? I'm anxious to start skating again.

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Post by Wes Eastridge » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:06 am

Great race today!

I’m STILL without electricity and water. I’m currently on laptop battey. I think Riordon might still be out of electricity too. Hopefully it will be back on before the WV race.

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Post by Anthony Smallwood » Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:11 am

Had a great time today with the Outlaws. Thanks to everyone who offered advice and gear to myself and my son. He's stoked on slalom and I'm stoked to see it. There's more out there than ollies!
Was that the last race until winter??

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Post by Rene Hayden » Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:05 am

Dude!

You can't even see your excellent package in pic # 20.

Boo.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:19 am

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought only 2 califags from nckkk will be looking for my package.

That better?

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Post by Rene Hayden » Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:01 am

Aaah.

Much Better.

Who needs photoshop when you have Vlad?

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Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:35 pm

Now that the 2003 Worlds are over, are we expecting to run another DC Outlaw event before the WV race? I know Brian had mentioned that he wanted to try it.

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Post by Jani Soderhall » Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:35 pm

I'd like to know if there are any races over the next couple of months too. I might make a business trip to the US and it would be nice to couple that with a contest.

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Post by Wes Eastridge » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:41 am

THIS WEEKEND! Let’s have a race THIS WEEKEND! (I need as many diversions as I can come up with for THIS WEEKEND). THIS WEEKEND, Brian, how about THIS WEEKEND?

We’ll have one for Jani too, but we should have one THIS WEEKEND.

Jani, don’t forget about the Fayettville, West Virginia race on Sunday, October 19.

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Post by Kevin M. Gamble » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:48 am

Wes,
I'm half afraid to ask, but why does it have to be THIS WEEKEND? Some of the DC Outlaws are just getting back from California, and some of us need more than 3 days notice to travel to DC.

I vote for the 11th, as a good warmup for Fayetteville.


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Post by Wes Eastridge » Wed Oct 01, 2003 2:28 am

That’s fine, Kevin, and the weekend before WV is fine with me.

I just want to race, practice, session, or whatever, on Saturday at least.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:22 pm

How about that Massanassass place? I think something has been scheduled there for this Saturday. Some slalom session of some sort. Or something.

Come, Jani, Come! Lets race! Yeah!

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Post by Vlad Popov » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:53 pm

On 2003-09-30 19:41, WesE wrote:
THIS WEEKEND! Let’s have a race THIS WEEKEND! (I need as many diversions as I can come up with for THIS WEEKEND). THIS WEEKEND, Brian, how about THIS WEEKEND?

We’ll have one for Jani too, but we should have one THIS WEEKEND.

Jani, don’t forget about the Fayettville, West Virginia race on Sunday, October 19.

Wes, is it your first time on caffein or what?
:smile:

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Post by Jani Soderhall » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:56 pm

I'm not making any promises, I was just asking to find out if there is anything, so that in case I decide to go for business, I can couple that with a slalom race.

Thanks.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:58 pm

There WILL be a race!

How about the Jani Cup? (bring a cup, please) :smile:

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Post by Brian Parsons » Wed Oct 01, 2003 4:47 pm

Sorry Wes, but THIS WEEKEND is not good.

The next DC Outlaw race will be on Saturday October 11th. This will be a good warm up for the WV race.

I will skate this weekend if anyone wants to run cones or skate round wall.

Tentative Schedule for the Winter Series

November 1st. 2003
November 22nd 2003
January 17th, 2004
February 7th, 2004
February 28th, 2004
March 20th, 2004

Please let me know if these look OK.

Also, lets start some discussion about how we can make the series better. I think we have the race format down.

But can you guys offer up some ideas on:

Longboard racing – P&R is kind of lame for longboards. It is really hard to set a good longboard course there.

Spec Class – I would still like to do this.

Course - TS/Hybrid – Usually we set around 50 cones. Should we up it to 70-80 cones.

Anything else you guys can think about to make things better.

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Post by Guest » Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:41 pm

ideas for winter.....

- instead of a "longboard" course call it a "beginner" course which would be doable on a slalom board and a longboard, any board for that matter. Let the faster guys conehead and give advice to the newbies on the course. This course could also be a spec class course. Maybe you even run the spec class within the "beginner course" (like GT LeMan's racing, multiple classes on the same course) and kill a few birds with one stone.

- Have a "pro" course that all are welcome to run but only the top 8 qualify for. For the course setting draw straws of those who volunteer to set the course.

I wuld like to see more difficult courses at the DC races. I think the fast guys are ready for it and the ideas above accomodate all skill levels which makes it open for all to enjoy.

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Post by Vlad Popov » Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:24 pm

I think the DC longboard courses are ok for that hill. More entree speed/less offset first three-four cones and it’s just fine. Most of them were cool.

I think "traditional slalom" courses are getting better. The tight is getting tighter and more technical. Faster too. GS is not “flat”, with some tech stuff here and there. Not too much for beginners, not too boring for WesE.

I personally have only one issue (but it’s just me, really). The courses are fast, esp. down the line. But the starts are painfully slow. To get the most out of your set-up on a fast course, it needs to be tuned for high speed. As in super tight back truck and all that comes with it…the stuff we all know and love…Unfortunately, getting a good start in 4th gear is impossible. So, our boards are actually tuned for slower courses. The trucks are looser for initial pumping, but it becomes really inconvenient at about the midpoint on the course. Pushing/getting more speed at higher speeds on loose/r trucks is not desirable, is dangerous and is often impossible. The solution is to set more technical and slower courses or to have a bit faster starts. Like 4-5 pushes.

I can tell you what happened to me at the last TS-Hybrid race. The initial set-up felt perfect. 100% control. Practice times were in 19’s (I use my own timer’s times here) Qualification. I loosened the back a bit, 18.2. Race. Loosened the back more. 17.2. But! I had almost no control at the finish line! Loosened the back even more. 16.8. But! No control after the first 15 or so cones. I padded for the last rounds because I expected to fall.


Am I the only one with this “problem”?

Longer courses …yey to that.

More tech stuff- maybe on the side or after the main event?


Chris, new picture, new videos? New everything?

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